What is the relation between the Dirac equation and QED?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Dirac equation and Quantum Electrodynamics (QED), exploring whether understanding the Dirac equation is necessary for learning QED. Participants also touch on the relevance of group theory in modern physics.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that one can and should start learning QED directly through its field-theoretical formulation, suggesting that the Dirac equation's "hole theory" is unnecessarily complicated and flawed.
  • There is a viewpoint that relativistic quantum mechanics does not adequately describe scenarios where particle number is not conserved, leading to the assertion that quantum field theory is a more natural framework.
  • Suggestions for learning the Dirac equation include referencing Albert Messiah's book on Quantum Mechanics.
  • One participant questions whether group theory is the best option for advancing modern physics, indicating that this question may not have a definitive answer.
  • Some participants express the opinion that group theory is vital for the advancement of modern theory, while another participant emphasizes that such opinions do not constitute answers to the posed question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of the Dirac equation for learning QED, with no consensus reached. Additionally, there is disagreement regarding the question of group theory's role in modern physics, with some asserting its importance while others maintain that the question is unanswerable.

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The discussion includes varying opinions on the complexity and relevance of the Dirac equation and group theory, reflecting differing perspectives on foundational concepts in theoretical physics.

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Hello, everyone.
Need I understand Dirac equation if I plan to learn QED?
 
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Yes, but you can (and in my opinion should) start right away with the field-theoretical formulation. There's no merit to learn the awfully complicated formulation of QED in terms of Dirac's "hole theory", which is mathematically equivalent to modern QED but flawed in its conception. You start as if relativistic "quantum mechanics" would make sense only to find out that it doesn't, because in the relativistic regime of collisions the particle number is not conserved but particles can be destroyed and created in accordance with the conservation laws (energy, momentum, angular momentum, various charges). That's why the natural way to describe relativistic quantum theory is quantum field theory.

My favorite introductory textbook is

M. D. Schwartz, Quantum field theory and the Standard
Model, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, New York
(2014).
 
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vanhees71 said:
Yes, but you can (and in my opinion should) start right away with the field-theoretical formulation. There's no merit to learn the awfully complicated formulation of QED in terms of Dirac's "hole theory", which is mathematically equivalent to modern QED but flawed in its conception. You start as if relativistic "quantum mechanics" would make sense only to find out that it doesn't, because in the relativistic regime of collisions the particle number is not conserved but particles can be destroyed and created in accordance with the conservation laws (energy, momentum, angular momentum, various charges). That's why the natural way to describe relativistic quantum theory is quantum field theory.

My favorite introductory textbook is

M. D. Schwartz, Quantum field theory and the Standard
Model, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, New York
(2014).
Thanks. I have Cohen's Photons and Atoms at hand.
Are there any suggestions for how to learn Dirac's equation?
 
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thaiqi said:
Thanks. I have Cohen's Photons and Atoms at hand.
Are there any suggestions for how to learn Dirac's equation?
Albert Messiah's old book on Quantum Mechanics is my favorite.
 
vanhees71 said:
Yes, but you can (and in my opinion should) start right away with the field-theoretical formulation. There's no merit to learn the awfully complicated formulation of QED in terms of Dirac's "hole theory", which is mathematically equivalent to modern QED but flawed in its conception. You start as if relativistic "quantum mechanics" would make sense only to find out that it doesn't, because in the relativistic regime of collisions the particle number is not conserved but particles can be destroyed and created in accordance with the conservation laws (energy, momentum, angular momentum, various charges). That's why the natural way to describe relativistic quantum theory is quantum field theory.

My favorite introductory textbook is

M. D. Schwartz, Quantum field theory and the Standard
Model, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, New York
(2014).
Is group theory the best viable option to advance modern physics?
 
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glschmitt said:
Is group theory the best viable option to advance modern physics?
This question is not answerable. People can of course give their opinions, but they're just that: opinions.
 
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Yes, I agree. Group Theory is vital for advancement of modern theory.
 
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glschmitt said:
Yes, I agree. Group Theory is vital for advancement of modern theory.
You're not agreeing with me. You're just illustrating what I said: that the question is unanswerable. Your statement is just your opinion. That's not an answer; this is a physics forum, not a philosophy forum.
 
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