What is the Relationship Between Time and Matter?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between time and matter, exploring the nature of time as a physical entity, its dimensional properties, and its connection to concepts like entropy and the expansion of space. Participants engage in theoretical considerations, philosophical implications, and speculative questions regarding the nature of time in relation to the universe.

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  • Some participants propose that time is a physical thing, similar to energy and matter, while others argue that time is a dimension through which matter and energy move.
  • There is a discussion about whether a heat death of the universe would cause time to stop, with some suggesting that even in such a state, movement and vibrations would continue, implying that time would not cease.
  • One participant questions if time can exist in a space devoid of matter, suggesting that empty space may not exist and that space cannot exist without matter.
  • There is speculation about the expansion of space, with some participants questioning whether it is driven by matter or if other factors, such as dark energy, are involved.
  • Concerns are raised about the philosophical implications of time and its measurement, with some participants expressing discomfort with the abstract nature of the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of time, its relationship with matter, and the implications of a universe without matter. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of concepts such as dark energy and the nature of time in relation to matter, indicating that these topics are complex and not fully resolved.

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I recently had a discussion about this so I wanted to ask a few things.
I was asked what do i think what is time.I scratched my head a little bit and thought to myself.

Time must be a physical thing just in a different form much like energy and matter.Also relativity views time as " space-time" that alone tellsme they are related.This is sort of a statement from me yet a question at the same time in the case if it's wrong.

So I conclude that matter has energy as can be seen from the smallest parts of atoms , elementary particles up to bigger things like molecules and organisms fluids and solids everything changes so we can see that time ahs passed and then we decided so that it is easier for us we somehow would calibrate these changes into what we now know as seconds , minutes, etc.

Also I thought about can one stop time, and judging by my previous wording I guess it should imply to stop all the vibrations , movement down till the smallest particles in all of universe correct? So one more question comes to mind , would a heat death of the universe cause time to stop ,or would there still be leftover even small rate of change in parts of the universe?
 
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The discussion about the origin and nature of time is rather deep and involved.
My personal understanding of the matter is that while time in the physical sense is simply another dimension and part of the 4-dimensional spacetime, the directionality of time and its passage is mostly due to the increasing entropy of the universe.
 
Salvador said:
Time must be a physical thing just in a different form much like energy and matter.Also relativity views time as " space-time" that alone tellsme they are related.This is sort of a statement from me yet a question at the same time in the case if it's wrong.
Not like matter or energy, no.

Time is a dimension. A degree of freedom though which matter and energy can move (with certain notable constraints on that movement.)
Salvador said:
would a heat death of the universe cause time to stop ,or would there still be leftover even small rate of change in parts of the universe?
Even if all the atoms in the universe reached the same temperature, that does not mean they would stop moving about. Nor would they stop vibrating.
The universe would contain the same amount of energy, it's just that it wouldn't be in any usable form. So, there no reason to think time would stop.
 
Salvador said:
... Time must be a physical thing ...
No more than length is a physical thing. As has already been pointed out, time is a dimension, just like length.
 
I would call length a property of something much like color , form etc.

Ok phinds , if time is a dimension much like the other three ones of space, then would there be any time in a space where there is no matter ? I assume no.
But then again I'm almoust certain that there cannot be simply empty space can there ? Also I read the same elsewhere on university sites etc that space cannot exist without matter.

This question does not directly come from my original ones but then I wonder , is the expansion of space a matter driven thing ? Because if not then what else would make the space to expand, I guess since we haven't figured out the exact cause we call the cause " dark" energy.
 
Salvador said:
I would call length a property of something much like color , form etc.
It's hard to think of time as a property of something the way length is, but it is, just a different kind of something.

Ok phinds , if time is a dimension much like the other three ones of space, then would there be any time in a space where there is no matter ? I assume no.
I'm an engineer. This is too philosophical for me. Time is what a clock measures. No matter means no clocks, but beyond that I'm no willing to go. You'll find dozens of threads on this forum discussing all that.

But then again I'm almoust certain that there cannot be simply empty space can there ? Also I read the same elsewhere on university sites etc that space cannot exist without matter.
Again, too philosophical for me, and there are lots of threads discussing it.

This question does not directly come from my original ones but then I wonder , is the expansion of space a matter driven thing ? Because if not then what else would make the space to expand, I guess since we haven't figured out the exact cause we call the cause " dark" energy.
Right. We don't know. It doesn't seem to be a "matter driven thing", but since we don't know WHAT "dark energy" is, it's not a good idea to rule anything out.
 

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