What is the role of a 1+15 Higgs-sector in GUTs?

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The discussion revolves around the role of a 1+15 Higgs sector in Grand Unified Theories (GUTs), specifically within an SU(4) gauge theory framework. Participants explore the implications of symmetry breaking to SU(3)xU(1) and the structure of the Higgs potential, including various representations and terms involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a toy model involving an SU(4) gauge theory with a Higgs sector comprising a singlet and a 15-dimensional representation, aiming to break symmetry to SU(3)xU(1).
  • Another participant notes that SU(4) has 15 real parameters while SU(3)xU(1) has 9, suggesting that 6 gauge bosons will acquire mass through the Higgs mechanism.
  • A participant proposes a specific form for the Higgs potential, including independent constants for each term, and questions whether this is the most general form possible.
  • There is a discussion about the types of terms that should appear in the Higgs potential, with some participants suggesting that terms like 82 and 84 should be included.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for the Lagrangian to be SU(4) symmetric while also needing to ensure that the model breaks down to SU(3)xU(1) specifically.
  • Another participant suggests that the Higgs field can be any representation of SU(4), not just 15+1, and discusses the implications of using a spinor representation.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the choice of the 15+1 Higgs sector and mentions their focus on orbifold breaking in extra dimensions, indicating a lack of familiarity with the Higgs breaking scheme.
  • There is mention of adding an additional term to the potential that could influence the symmetry of the Lagrangian.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the structure and implications of the Higgs potential, with no clear consensus on the most appropriate form or the reasoning behind the choice of the 1+15 Higgs sector. The discussion remains unresolved with competing ideas and uncertainties present.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of constructing a Higgs potential that appropriately reflects the desired symmetry breaking while also considering the implications of different representations and terms. There are unresolved questions regarding the specific terms that should be included in the potential and how to ensure the correct symmetry breaking occurs.

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Hi guy's,

this is my first thread at Physics-forums. I am currently working on GUT's and try to learn
the Higgs mechanism. Therefore my supervisor gave me a toy model. This model is a SU(4) gauge theory with a infinite series of 4+ \bar 4 as Matter fields (fermions) and a Higgs sector which consist of a singlet and a 15.

I tried to break the symmetry down to a SU(3)xU(1) by inserting VEV into the lagrangian and to minimize the higgs potential. Group theory tolds me that the representations decompose as

15 = 8 + 3 +\bar 3 +1
4 = 3 +1
\bar 4 = \bar 3+ 1

I choose a vev which forces the 8 and the 1 of the 15 to be heavy. These are
<8>_{SU(3)} = l 1_{3x3} , <1>_{SU(3)} = -3 l => <15>_{SU(4)} = l ~diag(1,1,1,-3)
as well as

<1>_{SU(4)}= w~ diag(1,1,1,1)

The Result I got for the minima of the potential is that
l = 0 and w < 0.

I Think my Higgspotential is wrong. It is of the Form

Tr[(w_1 1_R /4 + w_2 15_R /3 + v~1_{4x4}/(\mu 4))^4 ]

Here 1_R and 15_R are the Representations of the SU(4) Higgs sector and the rest are constants.

I hope you could help me or enjoined the reading.

Thank you for reading

timb00
 
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timb00, I'm not real sure either, so forgive me if these remarks are off the mark. SU(4) has 15 real parameters while SU(3) x U(1) has 9. So 9 of the symmetries will remain unbroken, i.e. you will have 9 gauge bosons that remain massless. The other 6 acquire mass, and will each need to steal their third component from Higgs. You will have 9 Higgses left, φa, a = 1..9 to participate in the potential, which you have taken to be the 8 and 1.

Now what will the potential look like? It must include a term for every possible way to couple two φ's or four φ's together to make a scalar. I think you have written the quadratic terms but not the quartic.
 
Hello everybody ,

and first of all thanks four reading to everybody and a thank you Bill_K for your reply.
I'm not real sure either, so forgive me if these remarks are off the mark.

I think all your remarks where right. Yesterday I found a dissertation where they gave an
example of a Higgs potential. In this paper they used for every term of the potential a independent constant . It look like
\frac{a_1}{2} tr(15^3)^2 + \frac{b_1}{2} tr(15^4) + c_1 ~tr(15^3) - m_{15} tr(15^2) + \frac{l}{4}(1^{*}1)^2 - m_1 ~1^{*}1+a_2 1^{*}1~ tr(15^2)

I hope your agree with me that this might be the most general Higgs potential one could write
down, in this case.

thank you for reading.

Timb00
 
Not quite what I was expecting. Your Higgs field is down to 8 and 1, and I was thinking the potential would have terms like 82, 84, etc
 
Hi Bill_k,

Your Higgs field is down to 8 and 1, and I was thinking the potential would have terms like 82, 84, etc

It actually has, because if your write the 15 as
15 = \begin{pmatrix}8 &amp; 3 \\ \bar 3 &amp; 1 \end{pmatrix}
they will appear, e.f.
Tr(15^2)^2 = (Tr(8^2) +2~3\bar3 + 1^2)^2 =Tr(8^2)^2 + 4~Tr(8^2) 3\bar3 +<br /> 2 Tr(8^2) ~1^2 + 2~3\bar3~1^2 + 1^4 +4~(3\bar3)^2.
This is due to the underlying SU(4) gauge theory, which is spontaneously broken to SU(3)xU(1).

Thanks for reading,

Timboo
 
I still think there's more to it than that. Granted you want to begin with a Lagrangian that's manifestly SU(4) symmetric, and that's why you build your potential from 152, 154, etc, which is the most general SU(4) potential possible. But after the breaking you want to be left with nine components of the Higgs field, and they must see a SU(3) x U(1) potential built from 82, 84, etc.

The question is, how do you choose the potential so your model will break as SU(3) x U(1) and not something else?
 
Aha, insight. You want the Lagrangian to be SU(4) symmetric, but that does not mean the Higgs field φ has to be 15 + 1. You can take the Higgs field to be any representation of SU(4) you want. In particular if you take φ to be an SU(4) spinor, then everything works. Six of the SU(4) transformations are needed to rotate it into (0, 0, 0, φ0), and these get broken. The remaining transformations that leave φ alone do not get broken, and are exactly SU(3) x U(1).
 
Hi Bill_K,

and sorry for my late replay. I'm not quite sure why we are using the 15+1. I had a
very long discussion with my Professor and my second supervisor About that, and
I'm not familiar with the Higgs breaking scheme because the main part of my work
is on Orbifold breaking an Extra dimensions.

So sorry I'am that can not explain why we are using the 15 + 1 as Higgs-sector. But our
main interest is the construction of the smallest possible anomal gauge theory.

But I just realized that one can add an additional term to the potential with is given by
b_1 \phi_1 Tr(15^3).
And I think that this is important, because otherwise, the Lagrangian would serve a
SU(4)xU(1) or maybe a SU(4)xSU(4) symmetry.

I will think about the question why we are using a 1+15 Higgs-sector and if i got an answer
i will post it.

thanks for reading and relaying,

Timb00
 

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