What is the Role of Neutrinos in Explaining Beta Decay Energy Loss?

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The discussion revolves around the role of neutrinos in explaining the continuous energy spectrum observed in beta decay, a phenomenon that initially appeared to contradict the conservation of energy. Participants explore the implications of this observation and the historical context of neutrino theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the continuous spectrum of beta decay energy suggests energy is being lost, which contradicts energy conservation laws.
  • Another participant explains that beta decay involves a neutron decaying into a proton and emitting an electron, with the expectation that the energy should be quantized due to the discrete energy levels of bound particles in the nucleus.
  • This participant proposes that the emission of a neutrino alongside the electron could account for the continuous energy spectrum, as the electron's energy would then be the difference in nuclear energy minus the neutrino's energy.
  • It is suggested that the neutrino must be neutral and very light, as a charged particle would have been easier to detect.
  • A later reply acknowledges the explanation and considers an alternative hypothesis that the undecayed nucleus could have been in an unbound state, although this lacks justification.

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Participants generally agree on the need for a neutrino to explain the continuous energy spectrum, but there is no consensus on alternative hypotheses or the implications of the observations.

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Participants discuss the implications of energy conservation and the characteristics of the neutrino without resolving the complexities of the underlying physics or the assumptions involved.

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I'm interested in the history of the discovery of the neutrino suggested in 1930 by Pauli and I read that the first clue came from the fact that beta decay energy from electrons had a continuous rather than discrete spectrum and this seemed to contradict the energy conservation law.
I would like to understand why the fact that the spectrum from beta decay is continuous rather than discrete implies that energy is being lost and how the neutrino solves this situation.
Thanks
 
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Well, what's happening? A neutron is decaying into a proton and emitting an electron. The neutron and proton are bound particles in the nucleus, and so you're transitioning between two states of the nucleus, which has discrete energy levels since its a system of bound particles. So the total beta decay energy is quantized.

So if the total energy is: nucleus(undecayed) -> nucleus(decayed) + e-

That means the electron energy is just the difference between the two discrete nuclear levels, and so it must be discrete. But if you measure it, it's not. It doesn't add up. So either conservation of energy is being violated, or something else is going on. The easiest explanation (that preserves thermodynamics) would be that there's another free particle being created alongside the electron:

nucleus(undecayed) -> nucleus(decayed) + e- + neutrino

So, now the electron energy is the difference in nuclear energy minus the neutrino energy. Since a free particle can have any amount of kinetic energy, the electron would then have a continuous energy spectrum.

Since charge is conserved and a charged particle would've been relatively easy to detect alongside an electron, we can also conclude that this particle is neutral. From the energy, you can estimate that it must be very light. And from conservation of spin you can deduce it's a fermion. So either you have a light, uncharged (and thus difficult-to-detect) particle being formed, or a whole bunch of conservation laws are being broken.
 


alxm said:
Well, what's happening? A neutron is decaying into a proton and emitting an electron. The neutron and proton are bound particles in the nucleus, and so you're transitioning between two states of the nucleus, which has discrete energy levels since its a system of bound particles. So the total beta decay energy is quantized.

So if the total energy is: nucleus(undecayed) -> nucleus(decayed) + e-

That means the electron energy is just the difference between the two discrete nuclear levels, and so it must be discrete. But if you measure it, it's not. It doesn't add up. So either conservation of energy is being violated, or something else is going on. The easiest explanation (that preserves thermodynamics) would be that there's another free particle being created alongside the electron:

nucleus(undecayed) -> nucleus(decayed) + e- + neutrino

So, now the electron energy is the difference in nuclear energy minus the neutrino energy. Since a free particle can have any amount of kinetic energy, the electron would then have a continuous energy spectrum.

Since charge is conserved and a charged particle would've been relatively easy to detect alongside an electron, we can also conclude that this particle is neutral. From the energy, you can estimate that it must be very light. And from conservation of spin you can deduce it's a fermion. So either you have a light, uncharged (and thus difficult-to-detect) particle being formed, or a whole bunch of conservation laws are being broken.
Ok, thank you, that's a clear explanation. Just to see if I understand it, it was expected that since the transition was between bound states of the nucleus the spectrum of the emitted energy should be discrete,but since it is continuous the natural thing to do was to postulate
the emission of another particle to keep the energy conservation, I guess another way to do it would have been to speculate that the nucleus (undecayed) was initially in an unbound state, being excited by some not yet known influence, but there was no basis to justify this, right?
 

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