What is the Smallest Piece of Matter We Can Observe?

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The discussion revolves around the question of what is the smallest piece of matter that can be observed, considering both visual observation and the use of instruments. Participants explore the limits of observation in physics, including the capabilities of various imaging techniques and the definitions of "seeing."

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  • Some participants note that the ability to observe matter depends on whether one refers to visual observation or observation with instruments.
  • It is suggested that the smallest observable matter with the naked eye is limited by the shortest wavelength of visible light, which is in the violet/indigo region.
  • Atomic force microscopy (AFM) and scanning tunneling microscopy (STM) are mentioned as techniques that allow observation at the Angstrom scale.
  • One participant raises the question of whether using a radio telescope to convert radio data into visible images counts as "seeing."
  • There is a mention of the diffraction limit of optical microscopes, which restricts resolution to about 200 nanometers.
  • Some participants inquire about specific examples of objects at the Angstrom scale and whether atoms have been "seen" with the human eye or devices.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the spelling of "Ångström" and its significance in measuring atomic and molecular sizes.

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Participants generally agree that the definition of "seeing" is crucial to the discussion, but multiple competing views remain regarding the smallest observable matter and the methods of observation. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and limitations of observation methods, including the effects of wavelength and the capabilities of various imaging technologies. There are unresolved questions about the nature of observation and the implications of different techniques.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the limits of observation in physics, the capabilities of modern imaging techniques, and the definitions of measurement in scientific contexts.

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I was just recently listening to a radio program, where a scientist said that we cannot observe electrons visually, but know they exist from their effects. That got me wondering...

What is the smallest piece of matter that we DO have the capability of seeing? And, also, how much of what exists is beyond our current scope of observation?
 
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kyphysics said:
What is the smallest piece of matter that we DO have the capability of seeing? And, also, how much of what exists is beyond our current scope of observation?
The answer to this question depends on if you mean "see/observe with our eyes" or "observe/examine with instruments (i.e. equipment)". So which of these do you mean? :smile:
 
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Look up atomic force microscope, and related images.
 
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kyphysics said:
I was just recently listening to a radio program, where a scientist said that we cannot observe electrons visually, but know they exist from their effects. That got me wondering...

What is the smallest piece of matter that we DO have the capability of seeing? And, also, how much of what exists is beyond our current scope of observation?

What you are being asked to explain here is elaborate if you mean by seeing as in with the naked eyes, unassisted by any other means.

If this is yes, then the answer is the the size of the shortest wavelength in the visible spectrum of light. This is because to "see" something with your eyes, the object must either have its own light, or is able to reflect light from an external source. And the smaller the object, the shorter the wavelength of light that is needed to detect that object. Since we are using our eyes, then it will be the shortest wavelength that our eyes can detect, which is towards the violet/indigo region.

If you are asking about what we can see/detect in general with assistance of devices, then STM/AFM techniques have allowed use to look at Angstrom scale resolution.

Zz.
 
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kyphysics said:
I was just recently listening to a radio program...
Interesting...how do you know radio exists if you can't see it...?
 
What is the smallest piece of matter that we DO have the capability of seeing? And, also, how much of what exists is beyond our current scope of observation?

I still think you have to define "seeing". We can't see some galaxies using visible light. If we use a radio telescope to convert the radio data to a visible image does that count as seeing?

If you want to know what the smallest thing is you can see with regular visible light perhaps try..

http://www.nanowerk.com/spotlight/spotid=33865.php

A conventional optical microscope equipped with an oil immersion objective can resolve objects no smaller than about 200 nanometers – a restriction known as the diffraction limit. The diffraction limit, which typically is half the width of the wavelength of light (λ) being used to view the specimen, represents the fundamental limit of optical imaging resolution.

Breaking this limit is possible by very sophisticated techniques and costly instrumentation. Now, though, researchers in Switzerland have found that when putting a transparent dielectric particle on top of an object with nanoscale features, details of that object with a size corresponding to ∼λ/7 can be resolved using a conventional microscope objective.

As others have pointed out, you can make images of smaller objects using SEM and the like but is that "seeing" according to your definition?
 
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DennisN said:
The answer to this question depends on if you mean "see/observe with our eyes" or "observe/examine with instruments (i.e. equipment)". So which of these do you mean? :smile:

Haha! Let's say both! :-p That'd be neat to know!

ZapperZ said:
What you are being asked to explain here is elaborate if you mean by seeing as in with the naked eyes, unassisted by any other means.

If this is yes, then the answer is the the size of the shortest wavelength in the visible spectrum of light. This is because to "see" something with your eyes, the object must either have its own light, or is able to reflect light from an external source. And the smaller the object, the shorter the wavelength of light that is needed to detect that object. Since we are using our eyes, then it will be the shortest wavelength that our eyes can detect, which is towards the violet/indigo region.

If you are asking about what we can see/detect in general with assistance of devices, then STM/AFM techniques have allowed use to look at Angstrom scale resolution.

Zz.

Interesting. Out of curiosity, what are some things that are on the "Angstrom" scale of size?

Also, have we ever "seen" (with either human eye or a device assisting it) things like atoms before?
 
kyphysics said:
Interesting. Out of curiosity, what are some things that are on the "Angstrom" scale of size?
Actually it's spelled Ångström, with "Å" and "ö", which are different letters than "A" and "o". Just a side note.
 
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kyphysics said:
Interesting. Out of curiosity, what are some things that are on the "Angstrom" scale of size?

An angstrom is 10^-10 meters. This is roughly in the molecule/single atom size (where the electrons orbit) range.
 

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