What is the smallest possible value of y for given x and y?

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The discussion revolves around finding the smallest possible value of the positive integer \( y \) given the condition that the ratio \( \frac{x}{y} \) lies between \( \frac{7}{10} \) and \( \frac{11}{15} \). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving related to inequalities involving integers.

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  • Participants are tasked with finding the smallest integer \( y \) such that \( \frac{7}{10} < \frac{x}{y} < \frac{11}{15} \).
  • Some participants express that their solutions may not be elegant, with one mentioning a brute-force approach.
  • There are indications of multiple contributions, with some participants affirming the correctness of others' answers.

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Participants mention the elegance of solutions, suggesting that there may be varying standards for what constitutes an acceptable method. The discussion does not clarify all assumptions or the completeness of the proposed solutions.

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Let $x,\,y$ be positive integers such that $\dfrac{7}{10}<\dfrac{x}{y}<\dfrac{11}{15}$. Find the smallest possible value of $y$.
 
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anemone said:
Let $x,\,y$ be positive integers such that $\dfrac{7}{10}<\dfrac{x}{y}<\dfrac{11}{15}$. Find the smallest possible value of $y$.
$\dfrac{7}{10}<\dfrac{x}{y}<\dfrac{11}{15}$

Multiplying throughout by $30y$, we get

$21y<30x<22y$

So we have to find a multiple of 30 lying between multiples of 21 and 22.

Multiples of 30 are 30, 60, 90, 120, 150, 180, 210, ...

Writing down multiples of 21 and 22,

21 22 y=1
42 44 y=2
63 66 y=3
84 88 y=4
105 110 y=5
126 132 y=6
147 154 y=7

Aha...150 lies between 147 and 154 for y=7.
So, the smallest possible value of y is 7.

(Sorry that my solution is not elegant.)
 
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Thanks for participating, Alexmahone! Your answer is correct!

Alexmahone said:
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(Sorry that my proof is not elegant.)

I think as long as a solution led to the correct solution, it can be deemed as an elegant solution, no? :o
 
anemone said:
Thanks for participating, Alexmahone! Your answer is correct!
I think as long as a solution led to the correct solution, it can be deemed as an elegant solution, no? :o

You're welcome!

But my solution is just brute-force. I hope you or someone else has a better solution.
 
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Suppose $y \le 6$. Then $y$ is a divisor of 60 and hence $\dfrac{x}{y}=\dfrac{a}{60}$, where $a$ is a composite number.

But notice that $\dfrac{7}{10}=\dfrac{42}{60}$ and $\dfrac{11}{15}=\dfrac{44}{60}$, this tells us $a=43$, which leads to a contradiction.

Hence, the smallest possible value of $y$ is 7.
 
anemone said:
Let $x,\,y$ be positive integers such that $\dfrac{7}{10}<\dfrac{x}{y}<\dfrac{11}{15}$. Find the smallest possible value of $y$.
$\dfrac {21y}{30y}<\dfrac {30x}{30y} <\dfrac {22y}{30y}$
$21y<30x ----(1)$
$30x<22y----(2)$
now we must find the smallest values of $x,y$ satisfying both (1) and (2)
and we get :$x=5,y=7$
 

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