What is the solution to a differential equation in trigonometric form?

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The discussion revolves around transforming a solution to a differential equation into a specific trigonometric form, specifically \( A \sin(\omega t + \phi) \). The original poster presents a solution involving cosine and sine terms and seeks assistance in determining the phase angle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of having the same frequency in the sine and cosine terms to combine them into a single sine function. There are attempts to calculate the amplitude and phase angle using various trigonometric identities. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the phase angle calculations and the implications of different values obtained.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the calculations for amplitude and phase angle, noting the importance of consistency in frequency. There is an exploration of multiple interpretations of the phase angle, with suggestions to express it within a specific range. The discussion remains open, with no clear consensus on the correct phase angle yet established.

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Participants note potential issues with the original calculations and the need for clarification on the definitions and assumptions regarding the phase angle. The original poster mentions discrepancies between their results and those found in a textbook.

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Homework Statement



This is a solutuion to a differential equation I've solved:

-cos(sqrt(2)t) - 2sin(sqrt(s)t)

I've been asked to put it in the form:

Asin(wt + phi)



Homework Equations



A= sqrt(-1^2 + -2^2)

phi = sin^-1phi = \frac{c1}{A}
phi = cos^-1 phi = \frac{c2}{A}
and
phi = tan^-1 phi = \frac{c1}{c2}





The Attempt at a Solution




A = 5

phi = sin^-1phi = \frac{-1}{sqrt(5)}
phi =

phi = cos^-1 phi = \frac{-2}{sqrt(5)}
phi =

and
phi = tan^-1 phi = \frac{-1}{-2}
phi =
 
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Note that if s inside the sine is not equal to 2, then you cannot write it as a single sine at all. So the frequencies have to be the same, and you can just read them off (\omega = \sqrt{2}). Then the amplitude is indeed A = \sqrt{5} (you gave the correct formula, but forgot the root in the later result. Also watch out to write (-1)^2 = (-1) \times (-1) = 1, which is something different than -1^2 = -(1 \times 1) = -1). Then just plug in t = 0 and you get an equation for phi, which you can solve, giving \phi = \sin^{-1}(1/\sqrt{5}) + \pi (if you want a value between 0 and 2 pi).
 
I did not mean to "post" it yet - I meant to hit "preview".

Here are some more details and clean-up and my official question:

A = 5

phi = sin^{-1}phi = \frac{-1}{\sqrt(5)}
phi = -0.4636

phi = cos^{-1} phi = \frac{-2}{\sqrt(5)}
phi = 2.678

and
phi = tan^{-1} phi = \frac{-1}{-2}
phi = 0.4636

Can you help with the phase angle? (3 different answers - none of which are correct)

The book has 3.6052 which I see is pi + 0.4636.

Thanks
-Sparky
 
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So you have found A and omega, and now you want
A \sin(\omega t + \phi) = - \cos(\sqrt{2} t) - 2 \sin(\sqrt{2} t).
If you look at the point t = 0, you get the equation
A \sin(\phi) = - 1
from which you can solve \phi. So indeed, you get the equation
\phi = \operatorname{arcsin}(- 1 / \sqrt{5})
which you can take to be either -0.4636, or 0.4636 + pi. By graphing both you see that the latter is correct, and it is also neater, to express phi between 0 and 2 pi.
 

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