What Is the Speed of the Blocks When They Are at the Same Height?

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The problem involves a system of two blocks connected by frictionless pulleys, where one block is above the other. The question focuses on determining the speed of the blocks when they reach the same height after being initially separated by a distance of 5 meters.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of energy principles, questioning the assumptions made about the speeds of the blocks. There is an exploration of the relationship between the heights of the blocks and the implications for their speeds.

Discussion Status

Some participants confirm the correctness of the equations used in the analysis. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the string length being constant and how that affects the height variable, z. The discussion includes an assumption about the speeds of the blocks being equal, which is questioned and examined further.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement and the assumptions regarding the system's mechanics, including the absence of external forces and nonconservative forces.

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Homework Statement


A system has two blocks connected by frictionless pulleys. One block (m = 3kg) is above the other (m = 2kg) vertically, as the other is lowered by a weight. Initially, they are 5m apart, vertically. When the weight is removed, what is the speed of the blocks when they are at the same height?


Homework Equations


Wext = dEmech + Wnc
Emech = U + K
U = mgh
K = 1/2 * mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution


No external forces are done on the system, and no nonconservative forces are done either. Thus, Uf + Kf = Ui + Kf. Kf = 0, and Ui = mgh for both blocks. If the height is 0 when the blocks are the same height, then the Ui of the heavier block (on top) is 3 * g * z, where z is the distance between its initial height and the height where the two blocks meet. This makes the Ui of the lighter block 2 * g * (z-5), giving it negative potential energy. When the weight on the second block is removed, the lighter block will go up, and the heavier will go down. The U of both blocks is converted into kinetic energy.

I assumed that the initial energy was

3 * g * z + 2 * g * (z-5)

and the final was

K = 1/2 * mv^2

Both blocks have the same speed, so m = 3 + 2. This would describe the speed of the system at all points after U is converted completely into K. Does this happen when they are at the same height?

If this is the case, how would I find z?
 
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yeah, your equations are correct:
The length of string is constant. Use this to obtain z.
Do you know that the speed is equal or you "assumed" it??
 
ashishsinghal said:
yeah, your equations are correct:
The length of string is constant. Use this to obtain z.
Do you know that the speed is equal or you "assumed" it??

I assumed it, because it only asks for 1 speed.

So, since they both go up to become 'equal', would z be equal to 5 - z, making z = 2.5 ?

EDIT: alright, it's the right answer, thanks!
 
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DrWillVKN said:
I assumed it

Do you want its proof?
 

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