What is the Speed of the Train as it Rounds a Curve?

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The problem involves a train traveling at a constant speed while rounding a curve with a specified radius. A lamp suspended from the ceiling swings out to a certain angle, and the objective is to determine the speed of the train based on this setup.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the angle of the lamp and the forces acting on it, with some attempting to derive the speed using centripetal acceleration equations. There are questions about the correct interpretation of the angle and its components, as well as the units for the final answer.

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The discussion includes various attempts to solve the problem, with participants sharing their calculations and questioning the correctness of their approaches. Some guidance is offered regarding the relationship between the angle and the forces involved, but there is no clear consensus on the correct method or answer yet.

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Participants express uncertainty about the expected units for the answer and the correctness of their calculations, indicating possible constraints in the problem setup or assumptions made during their attempts.

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Homework Statement



A train traveling at a constant speed rounds a curve of radius 218 m. A lamp suspended from the ceiling swings out to an angle of 16.6° throughout the curve. What is the speed of the train?


Homework Equations



mv^2/r


The Attempt at a Solution



I drew a diagram and attempted to calculate v by setting mv^2/r = -cos16.6 mg
I don't really know how to approach this?
 
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julz3216 said:

Homework Statement



A train traveling at a constant speed rounds a curve of radius 218 m. A lamp suspended from the ceiling swings out to an angle of 16.6° throughout the curve. What is the speed of the train?


Homework Equations



mv^2/r


The Attempt at a Solution



I drew a diagram and attempted to calculate v by setting mv^2/r = -cos16.6 mg
I don't really know how to approach this?

I think the angle is with the vertical, which makes the deflection in x given as Sin16.6 not Cos 16.6.

V2/r = Sin16.6*g

V = (r*sin16.6*g)1/2
 
I tried and got 24.705 but that was wrong. Are there any other ways to approach the problem?
 
julz3216 said:
I tried and got 24.705 but that was wrong. Are there any other ways to approach the problem?

What units do they want the answer in? m/s or km/h?

24.705 m/s = 88.9 km/h
 
I tried both ways but neither options were correct. I think it is supposed to be in m/s and I think my answer is wrong in general, is there anything else I can do to get another answer?
 
Ooops. Sorry. I did a sketch and realized vertical is g and that means then that

V2 = tan16.6*g*r
 
Ok, I got it! Thank you so much.
 
julz3216 said:
Ok, I got it! Thank you so much.

It's important you understand why.

Draw the acceleration vectors. The acceleration vectors add to some resultant a that forms the angle. The vertical component is g which means the Resultant acceleration on the lamp is given by

g = ay = a*cosθ

So a = g/cosθ

For the x component, that means that ax = a*sinθ = g*sinθ/cosθ = g*tanθ

and that is what equals the centripetal acceleration.
 

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