Calculating Train Speed Using Centripetal Force | 15° Angle, 150m Radius

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The problem involves calculating the speed of a train on an unbanked curve with a radius of 150 m, using centripetal force and the angle of a strap that hangs at 15 degrees to the vertical just before a derailment. The original poster is questioning whether the train exceeded a speed of 35 km/h at the time of the accident.

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  • Participants discuss the application of centripetal force equations and the implications of the angle of the normal force. There are attempts to derive the speed using gravitational acceleration and the radius of the curve. Some participants question the correctness of the numerical value used for gravitational acceleration and the consistency of units throughout the calculations.

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There is an ongoing examination of the calculations presented by the original poster, with several participants providing feedback regarding unit consistency and numerical accuracy. While some guidance has been offered regarding the correct value of gravitational acceleration, there is no explicit consensus on the final speed calculation.

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Participants note the importance of using consistent units in calculations, highlighting the potential confusion arising from mixing units of velocity and acceleration. The discussion reflects a focus on ensuring dimensional consistency in the equations used.

Slam

Homework Statement


There is a subway derailed. Radius of an unbanked curve is 150 m. An unused strap hangs at a 15 degrees angle to the vertical just before the accident. Did the train exceed 35 km/h and what speed was it at just before the accident.

Homework Equations


F=ma=m(v^2/r)

The Attempt at a Solution


The angle of the Normal force is 75 degrees counterclockwise to the horizontal axis. The x-component of Force is m(v^2/r)=Ncos75
The y-component of Force is 0=Nsin75-mg
m=(Nsin75)/g Substitute this in for m in the x-component
((Nsin75)/g)(v^2/r)=Ncos75
v^2=g*r*tan75
g=35.28 km/h
r=.150 km
v=4.44 km/h
 
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You have the wrong numerical value for g. Probably resulting from using the wrong physical dimension. The gravitational acceleration is 9.8 m/s^2, not 9.8 m/s. The unit km/h is a unit of velocity, not of acceleration.

You should note that your equation would not be dimensionally consistent if g had dimension L/T.
 
Slam said:
g=35.28 km/h
This is dimensionally and numerically incorrect..
Work with consistent units: 1km = 1000m
1hr = 3600 sec.
That's why they invented the SI unit system! :smile:
Everything else you did looks right.
The answer is way higher than what you came up with.
 
Slam said:
g=35.28 km/h
As others have noted, your problem is a failure to keep track of units. If you multiply 9.8m/s2 by 3.6 (km/h)/(m/s) you get 35.28 km/h/s. Multiplying that by .15 km yields units of km2/h/s, not (km/h)2.
 

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