What is the standard unit of mass and why is it defined in terms of an artifact?

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The discussion centers around the definition of the standard unit of mass, specifically the kilogram, which is defined in terms of a physical artifact, a cylinder of platinum and iridium. Participants explore the implications of this definition, the rationale behind using an artifact, and the historical context of unit definitions in science.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the definition of mass being tied to the mass of the cylinder, questioning the logic of defining a term using itself.
  • Another participant clarifies that while mass is not defined in terms of mass, the unit of measurement is based on the artifact.
  • A participant references a video that explains the current definition of the kilogram and the challenges associated with it.
  • One participant argues against the use of artifacts for defining units, citing issues such as erosion and chemical changes that can affect the artifact over time.
  • This participant notes that the kilogram is the last unit based on an artifact and mentions ongoing efforts to redefine it based on immutable physical quantities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of defining units based on artifacts, with some supporting the current definition and others advocating for a shift to more stable physical quantities. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to defining mass.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the stability of artifacts over time and the historical context of unit definitions, indicating that the current method may not be ideal.

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The standard unit of mass is defined to be "equal to the mass" of a cyliner of platinum and iridium in france. I have always wondered what this means? Why are all sources saying mass is defined in terms of mass? What were the steps taken to decide this unit?

I know that base quantities have to be defined some way at least, but in particular I am not able to get my head around this definition, I understand the ones for distance and other units. I know from mechanics tuahgt in school that mass is a measure of an objects inertia (and inertia is an inherent property in all objects). So, just like we cannot define words using the same word it confuses me when people say the standard unit of mass is the mass of the cylinder in France. What does the bolded part actually refer to?
 
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The concept of mass is not defined in terms of mass, but the unit by which we measure against is.
 
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Bipolar Demon said:
The standard unit of mass is defined to be "equal to the mass" of a cyliner of platinum and iridium in france. I have always wondered what this means? Why are all sources saying mass is defined in terms of mass? What were the steps taken to decide this unit?

I know that base quantities have to be defined some way at least, but in particular I am not able to get my head around this definition, I understand the ones for distance and other units. I know from mechanics tuahgt in school that mass is a measure of an objects inertia (and inertia is an inherent property in all objects). So, just like we cannot define words using the same word it confuses me when people say the standard unit of mass is the mass of the cylinder in France. What does the bolded part actually refer to?

The video in the link does a pretty good job at explaining how the base si unit of mass (kg) is currently defined, and the issues that come with the current method

 
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To back up what drakkith said, we don't need an artifact to define what we mean by length or distance. However not so very long ago the UNIT of length, the meter, was defined as the length of a particular bar of platinum-iridium kept in the same place as the standard kilogram.

Science hates this kind of definition of units by artifact because the artifact changes over time. Material erodes away by handling, or the properties change by chemical reaction with the atmosphere. Minimizing chemical reactions is the reason for the platinum by the way. The standards organizations have been working to define the base units in terms of immutable physical quantities for the entire history of science. The kilogram is the last unit based on an artifact, and that will change very soon. The change is already well along in the process.
 

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