What is the Symbol for Finite and How is it Interpreted?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a symbol for finite, particularly in contrast to the established symbol for infinite, ##\infty##. Participants explore various interpretations and representations of finiteness in mathematical contexts, including its relationship to real numbers and logical expressions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether there is a specific symbol for finite, noting that while infinity has a symbol, finiteness does not have an equivalent representation.
  • It is suggested that specifying a number as an element of the reals could serve as an implicit indication of finiteness, as there are no infinite real numbers.
  • One participant mentions that "finity" may not be a recognized word in English, contrasting it with the established term "infinity." However, another participant references sources that suggest "finity" is indeed a word.
  • Logical expressions for finiteness are proposed, such as finite = not infinite, using symbols like ##¬\infty## or ##!\infty##.
  • Some participants express caution regarding the use of certain symbols, indicating that they may have different meanings in different mathematical contexts, such as convergence.
  • References to historical texts are provided to illustrate the use of the term "finity" in literature, suggesting a broader conceptual understanding of the term.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence of a symbol for finite or the appropriateness of various proposed symbols. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the ambiguity in the use of symbols and terms, highlighting that the definitions and interpretations may vary depending on the mathematical context.

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Is there a symbol for finite?
I know there's a symbol for infinite. But is there a finite one?
 
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It is usually written ##<\infty## or if it was done better ##=C<\infty##.
 
How about just specifying that the number in question is an element of the reals? There are no infinite reals.
 
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fresh_42 said:
It is usually written ##<\infty## or if it was done better ##=C<\infty##.
Dumb question. What is C in this case?
 
Some constant (finite) number. The real number @Nugatory spoke of.
 
Nugatory said:
How about just specifying that the number in question is an element of the reals? There are no infinite reals.
Is infinity undefined in reals ?
 
Finite and infinite are both adjectives. Although there is a noun form for infinity, I'm not aware of the existence of "finity" as a word in English. If so, we have a symbol for and a word for infinity, ##\infty##, we have neither a word or symbol for its opposite.
 
Mark44 said:
Finite and infinite are both adjectives. Although there is a noun form for infinity, I'm not aware of the existence of "finity" as a word in English. If so, we have a symbol for and a word for infinity, ##\infty##, we have neither a word or symbol for its opposite.
I prefer to think of them as mathematical constructs. English isn't necessary, which is good if you don't speak it.
 
7777777 said:
Is infinity undefined in reals ?
Yes. In some cases the set ##\overline{\mathbb{R}}=\mathbb{R}\cup \{\pm \infty \}## is used. It is referred to as extended real numbers.
 
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logically
finite = not infinite ##\Rightarrow \neg\infty## or ##!\infty## or ##\infty’## or ##\overline{\infty}##
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This page references the OED and says that finity is a word.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/finity
 
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fresh_42 said:
I'm sure mathematicians prefer <∞ over those code style notations.
Given the mathematical disdain for logic symbols, may we postulate a dearth of Vulcan mathematicians? :-p

fresh_42 said:
A slightly better reference:
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=finity

I liked the quotes in mine
    • 1874, Hawthorne, Julian, chapter 31, in Idolatry: A Romance:
      He was calm in the conviction that he could measure and calculate the universe […] He matched finity against the Infinite.
    • 1899, London, Jack, The White Silence:
      Nature has many tricks wherewith she convinces man of his finity.
    • 1987, Fraser, Julius Thomas, Time, the Familiar Stranger, →ISBN, page 37:
      In a very non-Aristotelian fashion, Nicholas of Cusa produced a synthesis of finity and infinity.
    • 2006, Witzsche, Rolf A. F., Universal Divine Science: Spiritual Pedagogicals, →ISBN, page 106:
      We […] labor to find our identity in the infinite in spite of our encumberment in finity.
    • 1734, Watts, Isaac, “A Brief Scheme of Ontology”, in Philosophical Essays on Various Subjects, 6th edition, London: T. Longman, T. Fields and C. Dilly, published 1794, page 370:
      Disagreement in substance or essence […] may be called Disproportion, as there is a disproportion between finities and infinities, i.e. there is no proportion between them.
    • 1837 September 2, “The Transcendalist's Dialogues: No. IX”, in The Shepherd, volume 3, number 10, page 79:
      If we imagined a person capable of comprehending infinity, we should merely think that he was able infinitely to add up finities.
    • 1884 January 1, “Prayer and Science”, in Methodist Quarterly Review (4th)‎[1], volume 66, page 8:
      And this condescension of infinite Perfection to the finities—to their imperfections, contingencies, and littlenesses—is the very result of its perfection.
 
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fresh_42 said:
It is usually written ##<\infty## or if it was done better ##=C<\infty##.
I think one has to be careful using that symbol. I have seen it mean convergence.
 

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