What is the Trace of Density of States?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the density of states in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the trace of the spectral operator related to the Hamiltonian. Participants are exploring the mathematical expressions and manipulations involved in deriving the equality that relates the trace of the density of states to a sum over energy eigenvalues.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to derive the equality \(\langle E_n\mid \delta(E-\widehat{H}) \mid E_n \rangle = \sum_n \delta(E-E_n)\).
  • Another participant suggests that if the delta function behaves like any function, then \(\delta(E - H)|E_n\rangle = \delta(E-E_n)|E_n\rangle\) can be applied.
  • A participant notes that the expression can be manipulated to \(\sum_n \langle E_n\mid \delta(E-E_n) \mid E_n \rangle\) and seeks clarification on eliminating the bra and ket notation.
  • One participant proposes that \(\delta(E - E_n)\) can be treated as a number and taken out of the inner product due to bilinearity.
  • Another participant reiterates the need to eliminate the bra and ket to arrive at the final expression \(\sum_n \delta(E-E_n)\) and questions the normalization of states.
  • A later post humorously refuses to answer a question, indicating a playful tone in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the manipulation of the mathematical expressions and the treatment of the delta function, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of quantum mechanics and the properties of operators, particularly in relation to the delta function and inner products. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the normalization of states and the treatment of the delta function within the context of the trace operation.

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regarding the density of states:
how I GET THE FOLLOWING EQUALITY?
[tex]\langle E_n\mid \delta(E-\widehat{H}) \mid E_n \rangle = \sum_n \delta(E-E_n)[/tex]
 
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If

[tex] H|E_n\rangle = E_n|E_n\rangle[/tex]

and if [itex]f:\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}[/itex] is some function, then the operator [itex]f(H)[/itex] is defined by using the eigenbasis of [itex]H[/itex], like this:

[tex] f(H)|E_n\rangle = f(E_n)|E_n\rangle[/tex]

Then, if you think that the delta function is like any function, you can do this:

[tex] \delta(E - H)|E_n\rangle = \delta(E-E_n)|E_n\rangle[/tex]

In order to understand better what's going on, you should take a closer look at how you got the [itex]H[/itex] inside the delta function in the first place.
 
yes but then you get:

[tex] \sum_n \langle E_n\mid \delta(E-E_n) \mid E_n \rangle.<br /> [/tex]

So how do you eliminate the bra and kets? [tex] \langle E_n| , |E_n\rangle[/tex]
 
If you think that the delta function is like any function, then [itex]\delta(E - E_n)[/itex] is a number, and it can be taken out from between the brackets, by bilinearity of the inner product.

[tex] \langle E_n|\delta(E - E_n)| E_n\rangle = \delta(E - E_n)\langle E_n| E_n\rangle[/tex]
 
But you didn't answer my question:

let me explain you my problem:

The density of states n(E) is defined as the trace of the spectral operator
[tex]\delta(E-\hat{H}), \newline n(E)\equiv Tr \delta(E-\hat{H}).[/tex]

this expression is equal [tex]= \sum_n \langle E_n|\delta(E- \hat{H})| E_n\rangle.[/tex]

My question is how do I get the final expression:[tex]\sum_n \delta(E-E_n)?[/tex]
According to what you said above I get: [tex]\sum_n \delta(E - E_n) \langle E_n| E_n\rangle[/tex]
BUT HOW DO I ELIMINATE THE BRA AND KETS?
Because finally I need to get [tex]\sum_n \delta(E-E_n)[/tex].
 
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I just decided that I'm in a nasty mood, and I refuse to answer your final question, even though I know the answer. BUHAHAHahahahahh...! :devil: :smile:
 
john0909 said:
According to what you said above I get: [tex]\sum_n \delta(E - E_n) \langle E_n| E_n\rangle[/tex]
BUT HOW DO I ELIMINATE THE BRA AND KETS?
Because finally I need to get [tex]\sum_n \delta(E-E_n)[/tex].
What is [tex]\langle \psi | \psi \rangle[/tex] for any conventionally normalized state [tex]| \psi \rangle[/tex]?
 

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