What Is the True Nature of Gravity and Why Does Mass Attract Mass?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of gravity, specifically questioning why mass attracts mass and how gravity operates at a fundamental level. Participants explore various theories, including the role of particles like gravitons and the implications of general relativity, while also addressing the conceptual challenges in understanding gravity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express that while they understand the mechanics of gravity, the fundamental nature of gravity remains unclear.
  • There is mention of the graviton as a potential particle that mediates gravitational force, similar to how photons mediate electromagnetic force, though proving its existence is complex.
  • General relativity is noted as a framework that does not rely on the concept of force carrier particles, leading to discussions about its consistency with particle physics.
  • Einstein's view of gravity as a geometrical effect related to the curvature of spacetime is referenced, with some participants suggesting that a boson may not be necessary to explain gravity.
  • Some participants argue that the nature of gravity is simply a characteristic of the force itself, while others express skepticism about the need for a particle-based explanation.
  • There is a sentiment that despite advancements in particle physics, a better theory of gravity has not yet been proposed.
  • Concerns are raised about the perception that gravity should behave like electromagnetic forces, which are mediated by bosons, questioning whether gravitational fields exhibit similar properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of gravity or the necessity of a particle explanation. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the fundamental understanding of gravitational forces.

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Participants highlight limitations in current theories and the challenges of reconciling general relativity with quantum mechanics. There are unresolved questions about the behavior of gravitational fields compared to electromagnetic forces.

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I understand the forces of gravity, how to model it ect. I even vaguely understand relativistic gravity, but these are just descriptions of how gravity works. What is gravity? Why does mass attract other mass (or warp space time)? Is there an answer for this?
 
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DRJTower said:
I understand the forces of gravity, how to model it ect. I even vaguely understand relativistic gravity, but these are just descriptions of how gravity works. What is gravity? Why does mass attract other mass (or warp space time)? Is there an answer for this?

Not yet, as far as I know.
 
Some physics believe there is a particle, the graviton, which is the carrier of the gravity force, just like the photon is to the electromagnetic force. But proving that such a particle exist seems to be very complex (I don't have enough knowledge to even try explaining it). Here is when such theories as string or M theories come trying to find the answer for gravity.
 
That is still a question without a clear answer.
 
Gravity is one of four fundamental force in this universe besides strong, weak and electromagnet. If you ask, how those forces work, then each force do has a force carrier particle. For electromagnet is photon, strong is gluon, weak is vector bosons and gravity is graviton.
 
cybertific said:
Gravity is one of four fundamental force in this universe besides strong, weak and electromagnet. If you ask, how those forces work, then each force do has a force carrier particle. For electromagnet is photon, strong is gluon, weak is vector bosons and gravity is graviton.

The problem is that General Relativity does not use this 'force carrier particle' concept. And in fact, in some ways is inconsistent with it. The plus side to this is that the supposed graviton has never been detected -- and may not exist. So GR may be right in not doing so.

However, it is still possible that a photon might be involved as the 'force carrier' for gravitation as well as for electromagnetism. Never ending theories -- what science is all about.
 
Einstein thought gravity was a geometrical effect, the curvature of spacetime in the presence of matter. A boson is not necessarily required. That was mostly imposed by string theory.
 
Chronos said:
Einstein thought gravity was a geometrical effect, the curvature of spacetime in the presence of matter. A boson is not necessarily required. That was mostly imposed by string theory.
Yes, he did. And at that time quantum physics was in the future. Particle physics has made gigantic strides since his time.

I do think that GR can and does give good and valid results in most every case -- EXCEPT when applied to cosmology as it has been. It still may be able to be modified for that situation too.
 
No doubt, but a better theory has not yet been proposed.
 
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Chronos said:
No doubt, but a better theory has not yet been proposed.

There will always be a better theory.
 
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when you say you understand gravity and its forces ,you would also
understand that it is the very same force that causes bodies having mass
to get attracted.
and as to why this happens,that is the nature of this force,and as to why it has
this nature,it is because the apple fell 'down' and not up.
 
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monty37 said:
when you say you understand gravity and its forces ,you would also
understand that it is the very same force that causes bodies having mass
to get attracted.
and as to why this happens,that is the nature of this force,and as to why it has
this nature,it is because the apple fell 'down' and not up.

Well, believe it or not there are some people that have a theory of gravity that says just that!
(Definitely NOT mainstream!)
 
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i don't undersatnd even if gravity is a particle or not..how does it matter.. has nay one seeen any particles like the particles of electromagnetic force ..nope!
then in fact we just assume things then what so much mistry around gravity..pata nahin !
 
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There is a perception gravity should behave similarly to Maxwellian [EM] forces, which are mediated by bosons. It is less clear if gravitational fields are similarly well behaved.
 

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