What is wrong with eternal inflation model?

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The discussion revolves around the "eternal inflation" model in cosmology, particularly its implications for the beginning of the universe and the nature of the multiverse. Participants explore theoretical aspects, challenges, and interpretations related to the model, including its compatibility with observational data and the concept of entropy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the eternal inflation model as addressing the problem of the universe's beginning by proposing a multiverse with inflationary "bubbles" or baby universes.
  • There is a reference to a theorem by Borde, Guth, and Vilenkin suggesting that inflation must have had a beginning, which some participants find difficult to understand mathematically.
  • One participant clarifies that the finite beginning refers specifically to the baby universes rather than the entire multiverse.
  • Concerns are raised about the definition of "forever" in the context of the boiling bulk of the multiverse, questioning the consistency of time in that framework.
  • Some participants mention entropy arguments that challenge the notion of future-eternal inflation, highlighting difficulties in defining entropy across different Hubble volumes and multiverse interpretations.
  • There is a humorous remark questioning the coherence of the term "eternal confusion" in relation to the discussion of eternal inflation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of eternal inflation, particularly regarding the nature of beginnings and the definition of time. There is no consensus on the validity of the model or the challenges it faces.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding mathematical concepts related to the theorem mentioned and the complexities of defining entropy in the context of the multiverse.

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I was thinking that "eternal inflation" model deals nicely with the problem of the beginning of the universe. If I understand this model correctly, Multiverse is a boiling bulk of some sort of very dense vacuum, creating inflationary "bubbles" (baby Universes), finite from the outside but infinite from the inside.

Now I read in http://arxiv.org/abs/1108.3080
on p.12

"As shown by Borde, Guth & Vilenkin [65], in inflation must have had a beginning, i.e., cannot be eternal to the past".

Googling gives me hints that it is based on some theorem, but I am afraid it will be beyond my level of math, do you have any simple explanation for idiots like me?
 
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An eternal universe in the past would be static. In the eternal inflationary model the universe has a finite not eternal beginning as it developed from a finite point into a bubble universe. Keep in mind their are over 60 still valid inflationary models. This is just one of them that still fits observational data. My signature has numerous inflationary articles under cosmology101 link. For further reading. the Inflationary encyclopedia has a listing of valid models
 
Thanks. Just to confirm, when you say "universe has a finite not eternal beginning" are you talking about one of the baby universes (particular bubble) (and I totally agree) or about the whole Multiverse? (if so I am confused)
 
The baby universes.
 
Dmitry67 said:
Googling gives me hints that it is based on some theorem, but I am afraid it will be beyond my level of math, do you have any simple explanation for idiots like me?
Place a single photon inside the inflating universe. Consider inflation to have a constant energy density. Extrapolating into the past, how long until that photon has a higher energy density than the inflaton?
 
I see, there is no problem anyway - the inflation of any baby Universe had a beginning (branching from the bulk), I have no problems with it. The important thing is the boiling bulk, constantly generating baby universes - that thing exists forever (I am not sure that the word "forever" is valid here because it is not clear if "time" is consistently and correctly defined in that boiling bulk)
 
Dmitry67 said:
I see, there is no problem anyway - the inflation of any baby Universe had a beginning (branching from the bulk), I have no problems with it. The important thing is the boiling bulk, constantly generating baby universes - that thing exists forever (I am not sure that the word "forever" is valid here because it is not clear if "time" is consistently and correctly defined in that boiling bulk)
Right. This is why eternal inflation is said to be future-eternal, but with a finite past.

Some have used entropy arguments to show that this future-eternal inflation may not make sense. But the problem is it's really, really hard to make that determination because any such estimates of entropy run against the problem of how to define a measure across different Hubble volumes.
 
Yes, and the article discusses the difficulty of defining entropy - not only across different Hubble volumes, but also across different MWI universes. I was happy to see the claim I was talking about a long time ago - that total entropy of the whole multiverse is 0.
 
So, what is wrong with eternal confusion? It makes as much sense.
 
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Chronos said:
what is wrong with eternal confusion?

It makes the Big Rip of the brain :)
 

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