Timing of the big bounce in eternal inflation

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The discussion revolves around the timing of the big bounce in the context of loop quantum gravity (LQG), eternal inflation, and the Guth, Borde, Vilenkin (GBV) theory. Participants explore how these theories interact and what implications they have for the understanding of the universe's origins, particularly regarding the timeline of cosmic events.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if LQG, eternal inflation, and the GBV theory are all valid, the big bounce may have occurred much earlier than the commonly accepted 13.7 billion years ago, potentially at the beginning of eternal inflation.
  • Others describe the bouncing model as a cycle of big bang, expansion, and recollapse, contrasting it with the chaotic inflation model that suggests a multiverse with numerous bubble universes.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about the possibility of our observable universe being a small part of a larger, continuously inflating universe, indicating a metaphorical position downstream from the inflation source.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that LQG and eternal inflation are mutually exclusive, citing a lack of literature supporting this claim and suggesting that LQG may better explain inflation.
  • It is noted that the singularity at the beginning of inflation raises questions about the extrapolation of the inflationary model back in time, with some suggesting that a different quantum process must initiate inflation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between LQG, eternal inflation, and the GBV theory, with no consensus reached on whether these theories can coexist or how they influence the timeline of cosmic events.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the compatibility of LQG and eternal inflation, as well as the implications of the singularity in the context of inflationary models. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and hypotheses without definitive conclusions.

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In the picture given to us by loop quantum graivty, the big bang is replaced by the big bounce. So 13.7 billion years our universe bounced from a previous one.
In the picture given to us by eternal inflation, our big bang is just a local big bang and there is a far greater inflating sea. If the Guth, Borde Vilenkin (GBV) theory is right the singularity is located at the beginning of eternal inflation.
So If LQG, eternal inflation and the GBV theorom are all true the bounce happened not 13.7 bln years ago but some time many aeons before that at the beginning of eternal inflation. Is this correct? or am I missing something?
 
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The bouncing model endlessly repeats the cycle of big bang, expansion, and recollapse. The eternal, or chaotic inflation model invokes a multiverse populated by innumerable bubble universes each with its own big bang.
 
Thanks! I had not realized that someone else had proposed an eternal and continuous inflation model. I had wondered myself if our observable universe might be just a small part of an enormous continuous inflation universe where we are further down the river from the inflation source so to speak..
 
Hey Chronons, you seem to imply that these theoreis are mutually exclusive, but I've not found any reference to that in the literature, if there are any would love to see them. all I've found is that inflation is actaully better explained by LQG
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2010PhLB..694..108A
but no mention is made of eternal inflation. If this theoroem :
http://arxiv.org/abs/grqc/0110012
is true then there is singularity at the beginning of eternal inflation. So that's why I am thinking the bounce might be here.
 
LQC is definitely a different picture than inflation. It's not that it explains inflation, but rather that it purports to explain the observations used as evidence for inflation.

As for the singularity at the beginning of any sort of inflation, most people consider that evidence that the inflationary model just can't be extrapolated back in time that far, that some other quantum process must get inflation going at some point.
 

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