What is your definition of Heaven?

[kyle_soule]

Originally posted by Iacchus32
Let me ask you this? Do you dream in three dimensions? Or, is that just illusory? Don't our dreams also reflect our state of mind and being?

If we can do it in our dreams, which is merely an introduction to the spiritual world, then why not even more so in heaven?

As heusdens said, consciousness ends after death, ultimately the end of our minds, at least physical minds anyhow. Our mind is the means by which we interpret the spatial and time dimensions, without a mind to "see" these dimensions, we are unable to determine if they indeed exist.

As for the idea of dreaming in three dimensions, we certainly do dream in three dimensions, as it is only an interpretation of the world (or in dreams case thoughts) around us.

All of this is in light of our still living conscious mind. Without this we have no interpretation of anything. Unless your soul has a means by which it can see dimensions, there is no way Heaven could be, and if it was it would be a waste of dimensions, three (or multi) dimensional. I think one dimension is plenty to describe a state of being, not necessarily a living/conscious state.

In fact, as you said Iacchus32, there is no way to describe Heaven without our current way of percieving, but tell me, if a child was born into a world with only two dimensions, would he be able to adequately describe his world, at a later age?

 

[Iacchus32]

Dreams and Spirits

I hope this addresses some of what you're discussing here ...


From the thread, https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=611&perpage=15&pagenumber=2" ...

Originally posted by Iacchus32
Yes, but where do we go when we dream? Now that's a whole new world (dimension) unto itself. It's not tangible in the sense that we can see it or touch it, at least in this world, and yet we've all been there ... Is it possible this is where we go when we die?

Originally posted by Iacchus32
Who are we and what are we in relationship to that which we dream about? I know for me there's always some sort of interaction going on, and it's hard to believe it's merely a by-product of some electro-chemical process going on in the brain. What are these other so-called "enitities" experiencing when they experience me? It's like I had always been there, and yet separate, as if I were a separate entity. Which, is pretty much the way I experience them.

And yet there are times when I become more concsious in this state and I say, "By the way, I haven't died yet." And they all look at me with puzzled faces and say, "What do mean? It's always been this way. This is it man (reality)." And it's about this time that I begin to wake up, and realize that I'm laying in bed, and there they are still looking at me! And I say, "Hey, I tried to explain it you!" Soon after they would all depart and I would go back to my being unaware of them.

This is the best indication I can give for now that a spiritual world does exist.

 

[quantumcarl]

Originally posted by Iacchus32
I hope this addresses some of what you're discussing here ...


From the thread, https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=611&perpage=15&pagenumber=2" ...


This is the best indication I can give for now that a spiritual world does exist.

I wonder if there is a law that says "if it exists, it always has".? That would imply heaven in some ways. The idea seems to apply to energy... "neither created nor destroyed".

Heaven is equated with forever... so that's why I've suggested the above (no pun intended).

 

[quantumcarl]

Why does heaven have gates?

 

[iron~orchid]

To give the gate-keepers something to lean against while they wait !

 

[quantumcarl]

Originally posted by iron~orchid
To give the gate-keepers something to lean against while they wait !

I guess heaven is good for that... heaven can wait!

then there's the gates of hell to contemplate. The only hell's gate I know of has a fish ladder to help the horny salmon get to the "next level". Happy trails!