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What is your opinion about Arrhenius' announcement?

  1. Jan 15, 2009 #1
    At the ceremony of awarding Nobel prizes,
    Svante Arrhenius said as following.

    "Most discussion centers on his theory of relativity.
    This pertains essentially to epistemology and has therefore
    been the subject of lively debate in philosophical circles."

    I agree with Arrhenius
    what is the opinion of physicsits about this announcement?
     
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  3. Jan 15, 2009 #2

    Gokul43201

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    SR & GR were absolutely nowhere near as thoroughly verified in 1921/22 as they are today. Arrhenius' speech is well outdated, and relativity is way more than just an epistemological curiosity.
     
  4. Jan 15, 2009 #3
    Although Einstein eventually did get the prize (more to the benefit of the prize than to Einstein), it wasn't for his theory of relativity.
     
  5. Jan 15, 2009 #4
    Form of relativity is axioms.
    Axioms can not be verified by experiment.
    That was accepted by usefulness in calculation.
    "verified" and "accepted" are different thing.
    the one is process of physical law,
    but the other is process of metaphysical axiom.
     
  6. Jan 15, 2009 #5
    Can you give an example of a physical theory that has been verified by experiment?
     
  7. Jan 15, 2009 #6
    Except relativity itself and Quantum mechanics itself, Almost every thing described in textbook of physics are physical theory.
    electomagnetic theory, astronomical theory, solid state physics, etc...
     
  8. Jan 15, 2009 #7

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    Solid state physics is nothing but the quantum mechanics of solids. Astrophysics is built upon relativity. And the most accurate physical theory we have today is the theory describing electromagnetism - it's called quantum electrodynamics.
     
  9. Jan 15, 2009 #8
    Which experiment verifies electromagnetic theory?
     
  10. Jan 15, 2009 #9
    The official motivation is "for his services to Theoretical Physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect"

    http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1921/
     
  11. Jan 15, 2009 #10
    We study that field of physical phenomena by using quantum mechanics and relativity.
    The application of quantum mechanics and relativity are physics.
    but to investigate relativity itself and quantum mechanics itself are not physics.
    those are metaphysics.
     
  12. Jan 15, 2009 #11

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    Was the investigation of Newtonian mechanics also not physics but only metaphysics?

    And that brings us also to jimmy's question, which you are yet to answer.
     
  13. Jan 16, 2009 #12
    In my thought, Newton's first law is a metaphysical axiom.
    I will not say about that problem in this forum. because that require long explanation.
    I have said that. I can not understand what you want.
    Kepler's elliptical orbit theory in astronomy.
    Maxwell's equation in electomagnetism.
    GL theory in solid state physics. etc..
     
  14. Jan 16, 2009 #13
    I am trying to understand what you mean by the word 'verify'. It sounds to me as if you mean that some scientific theories have been proven to be true by means of experiment but that others have not. That is why I ask again. Which experiment verifies electromagnetic theory? Who performed the experiment? When?
     
  15. Jan 16, 2009 #14
    I would also like to know if you can state the theory of electromagnetism as you understand it. I ask this because I want to know what you consider an axiom and what you do not consider an axiom.
     
  16. Jan 16, 2009 #15
    Hertz verified Maxwell's theory about electromagnetic radiation in 1888 by using resonator.
     
  17. Jan 16, 2009 #16
    Does this mean that electromagnetic theory is now a fact, or is it still a theory?
     
  18. Jan 16, 2009 #17
    Your question have some trap.
    That is fact in the condition of relativity is accepted.
     
  19. Jan 16, 2009 #18
    I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks.
     
  20. Jan 16, 2009 #19
    There are some people who have a antagonism to use word "metaphysics".
    but I do not use word "metaphysics" to devaluate relativity and quantum mechanics.
    Those are useful and important theories.
    But there are too many distorted informations about relativity in general public,
    such as wrong thought of Karl Popper.
     
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