What Keeps Sea Water Alkaline Despite the Presence of Carbon Dioxide?

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The discussion revolves around the processes that maintain the alkalinity of seawater despite the presence of carbon dioxide, particularly focusing on the role of marine organisms that create calcium and magnesium carbonate structures. Participants explore the chemistry of seawater acidity and alkalinity, the equilibrium between different forms of carbon in the ocean, and the implications of these processes over geological timescales.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that calcium carbonate structures formed by marine organisms could lead to ocean acidification due to the release of protons during the formation process.
  • Others argue that the majority of carbon in the ocean exists as bicarbonate ions, and that the equilibrium between dissolved CO2, bicarbonate, and carbonate ions is crucial for understanding seawater chemistry.
  • A participant suggests that the weathering of rocks contributes bicarbonate to the ocean, which may counteract acidification, but questions how this process maintains pH over time.
  • Some participants propose that biological processes within organisms may utilize enzymes to convert bicarbonate to carbonate, potentially involving biological buffering systems to manage proton release.
  • There is a discussion about whether the ocean's pH has reached a steady state and if the alkalinity of seawater serves as a buffer against acidification.
  • Concerns are raised about the stability of anions associated with calcium in seawater and their role in the overall chemical processes affecting pH.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the mechanisms that keep seawater alkaline and whether ancient oceans were significantly different in terms of alkalinity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the processes that maintain seawater alkalinity, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on the mechanisms involved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the stability of chemical equilibria, the role of biological buffering systems, and the historical context of ocean chemistry over millions of years.

  • #31
Besides temperature influencing CO2 in the oceans.
There is also CO2 partial pressures in ocean and atmosphere , Henry's Law
to consider.
There is local salinity to consider.
There is CO2 uptake by marine phytoplankton and algae to consider.
Although all your posts are correct in a strict inorganic chemistry context
the carbon dioxide cycle in the oceans is more complex and synergistic than inorganic chemistry alone.
 
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  • #32
morrobay said:
the carbon dioxide cycle in the oceans is more complex and synergistic than inorganic chemistry alone.

So why do you try to answer the initial question with single nonsensical reaction equations?
 
  • #33
Borek said:
So why do you try to answer the initial question with single nonsensical reaction equations?

You don't seem to understand that a single reaction can have products that are
influenced by more than one factor in the surroundings;

Ca++ + 2HCO3- <> Ca(HCO3)2 <> CaCO3 + H2O + CO2
Here is the reaction with products that are influenced by temperature, partial pressures,
salinity and photosynthesis . Do you understand that marine plants consume the CO2 in the above product and hence stop this reaction:
CO2 + H2O > H+ + HCO3-
thereby maintaining alkalinity ?
Mabey you should reread the OP and brush up on photosynthesis
 
  • #34
You are just trolling, and I am telling it for the second (and last) time. You showed you have no idea about the system much earlier, in many ways, proposing presence of Ca(OH)2:

morrobay said:
Ca(OH)2 + CO2 >>shellfish> CaCO3 + H2O

suggesting existence of metallic calcium:

morrobay said:
Ca + 2 H2O ---> Ca(OH)2 + H2

calcium oxide:

morrobay said:
CaO + H2O --> Ca(OH)2

later you suggested that reaction which produces carbon dioxide - acid anhydride:

morrobay said:
Ca++ + 2HCO3- --> Ca(HCO3)2 --> CaCO3 +H2O + CO2

doesn't change pH, now you call for photosynthesis to explain what happens to carbon dioxide. Trick is, if carbon dioxide is produced and then consumed, and speeds of both reactions are identical so that pH is maintained, that's a classic example of a steady state system, different from the one I was thinking about - but conceptually similar.
 
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