What Keeps the Galaxy Intact?

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The discussion revolves around the forces that keep galaxies intact, particularly in light of the observed rotational speeds that seem inconsistent with the gravitational effects of visible matter alone. Participants explore the concept of dark matter as a potential explanation, as well as alternative theories that challenge the current understanding of gravity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the visible mass of galaxies is insufficient to account for their rotational speeds, suggesting the presence of additional unseen mass.
  • Others propose that dark matter could be the extra mass providing the necessary gravitational force, although its exact nature remains uncertain.
  • One participant highlights that dark matter has not been directly detected in laboratories and mentions various hypothetical particles that could constitute dark matter, such as MACHOs and WIMPs.
  • Alternate theories, such as MOND, are mentioned, which suggest that gravity may not behave as currently understood at very small accelerations, although these theories lack a generative framework and face challenges from experimental evidence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a lack of consensus on the existence and nature of dark matter, with some supporting its role in galaxy dynamics while others propose alternative theories that question the validity of current gravitational models.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions and assumptions surrounding dark matter and gravity, as well as unresolved aspects of the alternative theories presented.

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Just recently, I heard that at the speed the galaxy is currently spinning gravity alone is not a strong enough force to hold everything together. If that is true, what is the extra force that keeps the galaxy together?
 
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What you probably heard was that the mass of the galaxy estimated from counting the visible stars is not enough to keep it spinning at the measured speed.
The proposed solution is that there is extra mass in the galaxy in the form of dark matter which we can't see but has enough 'weight' to provide the extra gravity
 
thanks! even though i don't know much about dark matter, that really does help allot.
 
Peralta_Man said:
i don't know much about dark matter,

It's okay, neither do the experts. ;)

Well, that's a lie, they know more-less where it should be, how much of it should be there, and what are some likely candidates for it, but what makes it up isn't sure yet. Lots of experiments being done to figure that out.
 
Dark matter has never been detected in a laboratory. Names for particles which could make up dark matter go by exotic names, such as MACHOs (MAssive Compact Halo Objects), WIMPs (Weakly Interacting Massive Particles), and more exotic things like neutralinos etc.

Experimental high energy physicists are particularly keen to find new particles which could make up the dark matter content of the universe.

Alternate theories posit that dark matter does not exist, but that gravity is incorrect for very small accelerations (effectively, there is a minimum possible acceleration in the universe which is non-zero). These theories are collectively referred to as MOND (modified Newtonian dynamics), although no generative theory exists yet, and experimental evidence is rather against it.
 

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