What kind of engine would you use for this project

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The discussion revolves around the design considerations for a logistic robot intended for military use, focusing on the type of engine suitable for various terrains while balancing weight and power requirements. Participants explore different engine types, chassis designs, and the implications of military specifications.

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  • One participant emphasizes the importance of the chassis and drive system over engine choice, suggesting that the terrain capabilities are a primary concern.
  • Another participant proposes a fuel cell powered electric motor, citing military investment in this technology.
  • A different viewpoint humorously suggests extreme solutions like a "pocket nuke" or "warp drive" due to conflicting specifications of weight and power density.
  • One participant suggests using a used Land Rover engine or a high-powered bike engine, noting the challenges of matching the drivetrain to the engine.
  • Another participant mentions the potential of using an ultra capacitors-battery combination to power a DC motor.
  • Concerns are raised about the weight of armor requirements affecting engine choice, with a suggestion that diesel engines might be more suitable for military vehicles.
  • A historical reference is made to the Volkswagen military utility vehicle, highlighting the benefits of lightweight design and simplicity in construction.
  • One participant suggests focusing on efficiency and cost-effectiveness rather than excessive capability.

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Participants express a range of opinions on engine types and design considerations, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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Participants note conflicting specifications regarding weight and power density, as well as the potential impact of military armor requirements on engine choice. There are also unresolved discussions about the feasibility of various engine types and their implications for the overall design.

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Individuals interested in mechanical engineering, military vehicle design, robotics, and those exploring innovative solutions for logistics in challenging environments may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi I'm currently working on a logistic robot for my final project in Mechanical Engineering. My vision is to design something similar in features to this robot:
http://www.its-eng.com/logistic-robot
I would really like to join military vehicle manufacturers industry so its really important as my final project. The vehicle should drive in any terrain and the engine should be powerful but not too heavy cause I want the soldiers on the force moving with it to be able to lift it when needed.
Your advices would be highly appreciated!
 
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A lot more important than your engine choice is what kind of chassis and drive system are you planning on implementing which will "drive in any terrain"? There are a lot of terrains out there, and that will be the primary hurdle. Should it be able to drive up stairs? In 2 ft. dia. rubble? 3 ft. deep snow?

The engine is easy in comparison because your obvious answer is probably a small 4-stroke gas engine, unless noise is an issue in which case you'll need to go with an electric system with batteries.
 
I vote for a fuel cell powered electric motor. Although I'm bias, but the military has been putting a lot of money into them lately.
 
Go away, Topher; the Mopar rule applies here. When in doubt—HEMI!.
 
You state the conflicting specifications of
(1) light weight for warfighter lifting
(2) high power density ("drive in any terrain"), presumably under load up steep inclines. And presumably a long way away from an electrical outlet.

Hmmmm...gotta go with with either "pocket nuke" or "warp drive".
 
Why get an land rover engine and rebuild it like new? I have built performance engines myself a few times now, and spent 5 years in the army.

Your either going to make a hybrid... have you the budget? Didn't think so.
Or get a used land rover engine or something similar and rebuild it for reliably.

If it needs to be really light consider a high powered bike engine, but they're too noisy for the army. Your biggest problem is matching the drive train to the engine. Absolute nightmare splinning axels.
 
You can think of using ultra capacitors-battery combination to power a DC motor.
 
Wanna know how much your final DoD armor req's are going to weigh?

No... you don't. That would eliminate 4-cyls and most other gas engines. If you're looking at fuel, it has to be on the diesel end (Mil combat vechs run on either straight diesel or JP-5 (jet fuel) they don't like the idea of transport costs & logistics on multiple forms of fuel.)

Hybrid+Armor=Very costly anchor (sorry)

Looking for innovation? Maybe try diesel/electric generators? I think power:weight will be an issue there too.

This is an industry I'm familiar with. Trust me when I say there's A LOT of hoops to jump through. If you get a working prototype, shop the design to existing contractors and sell it!
 
Your desire to allow the vehicle to be liftable by the troops is a useful constraint.
The Volkwagen military utility vehicle used in WW2 (later sold in the US as 'The Thing' for the surf rec vehicle crowd) was light enough to be manhandled if it got stuck, about 600kg if memory serves. Note the engine was aircooled and built of magnesium, so light weight was part of the design.
Also note it had no all wheel drive, so no complex heavy power transmission, just have the soldiers push if needed.
If you provide for impressive road clearance and big wheels, you also have long suspension and power transmission elements, which add weight and cost.
You might have a more interesting project if you focused on efficiency, keeping your robot cheap and light, rather than overly capable and expensive.
You could do worse than to look at other past efforts in this area. The Marines have used simple logistics carriers extensively, basically wheeled platforms. Those might be a useful point of departure.
 
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tygerdawg said:
You state the conflicting specifications of
(1) light weight for warfighter lifting
(2) high power density ("drive in any terrain"), presumably under load up steep inclines. And presumably a long way away from an electrical outlet.

Hmmmm...gotta go with with either "pocket nuke" or "warp drive".

Meet the Yamaha Banshee: 400 lbs, 50 hp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_Banshee_350

Respectfully submitted,
Steve
 

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