What kind of evidence do we have for extra dimenisons?

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The discussion revolves around the evidence for extra dimensions as proposed by various theoretical physics models. Participants explore the theoretical necessity of extra dimensions in unifying fundamental forces and the lack of experimental validation for these concepts.

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  • Some participants express skepticism about the existence of extra dimensions, noting the absence of experimental evidence and questioning whether the theories are merely speculative.
  • Others argue that many theoretical models require extra dimensions for mathematical consistency, particularly in attempts to develop a Grand Unified Theory (GUT) that reconciles quantum mechanics and relativity.
  • There is a suggestion that the appeal of extra dimensions lies in their ability to create aesthetically pleasing theories, although this does not constitute strong evidence for their existence.
  • Participants discuss the motivations behind theoretical models, with some emphasizing that theorists aim to better explain observations, while others question the robustness of the rationale for extra dimensions.

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Participants generally agree that there is no experimental evidence for extra dimensions and that the theories remain hypothetical. However, there is disagreement regarding the strength of the arguments for their existence and the motivations behind the theoretical models.

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Limitations include the reliance on mathematical consistency and aesthetic appeal rather than empirical evidence. The discussion reflects a range of opinions on the validity and necessity of extra dimensions in theoretical physics.

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Despite of my attempts of trying to find the evidence pointing towards the extra dimensions many new theoretical physics theories suggest, i haven't been able to find one. Still many of the theoretical physicists seem to think that this is indeed the case - that we actually live in a universe which has many dimenisons beyond the 4 dimensions we are able to experience.

Basically all i have been able to find is that many theories in theoretical physics need them to work, which isn't very convincing argument to me.

What kind of evidence do we have for them?
 
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There is no experimental evidence. That's why these theories are still hypothetical.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
There is no experimental evidence. That's why these theories are still hypothetical.

Is there any clear referrence towards the extra dimensions, or is it all just pure guessing of theoretical physicists, in attempt to create an all explaining model to cosmology?
 
I have no idea what your message means, nor the reference to cosmology.
 
I mean, is there any reason at all why we should believe that there are extra dimensions, or are they just a random out of the box-approach by theoretical physicists in attempt to create better explaining models in physics?
 
The models referred to are attempts to describe a 'GUT' -a theory from which both Quantum mechanics and relativity can be reconciled.
These models require extra dimension in order for the math to be internally consistent.
On the other hand there is no available model at present which describes such a unified theory using just the observed dimensions.
I agree that just being mathematically credible isn't sufficient reason to 'believe in' such models.
 
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Akriel said:
I mean, is there any reason at all why we should believe that there are extra dimensions, or are they just a random out of the box-approach by theoretical physicists in attempt to create better explaining models in physics?

Those are not different things. Theorists create models to try and better explain observations.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Those are not different things. Theorists create models to try and better explain observations.

What things do you mean?

"Theorists create models to try and better explain observations" ofcourse, and it's good, but the thing I am interrested is on how strong basis is the idea of extra dimensions currently? what is backing up that idea of extra dimensions? many people do believe them, and even call them probable, but still it seems to lack the reason to transform the concept of a dimension from spatial and time dimension with actual physical charateristics into something that seems to be just a number in equations.
 
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The sole evidence for extra dimensions is that it is easier to come up with a theory that unifies gravity and the other forces and particles in an aesthetically pleasing way with an 11 dimensional theory than it is with a 4 dimensional theory.
 

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