What liquid takes the longest to melt after being frozen?

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The discussion centers around identifying a liquid that takes the longest to melt after being frozen, with a focus on practical applications for cooling, particularly in indoor environments. Participants explore various materials and their properties, including water and alternatives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a liquid with a high melting point, such as Tungsten or Gallium, would remain solid longer than water.
  • Others argue that water is effective due to its high latent heat of fusion and specific heat, making it a practical choice for cooling.
  • A participant questions whether the original inquiry should focus on melting point or enthalpy of fusion, highlighting ambiguity in the question.
  • One participant mentions using a large bottle of water to cool a room and seeks alternatives that would melt slower than water.
  • Another participant suggests slightly salted water as a potential option, noting it has a lower freezing point and could extend melting time.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of using frozen water compared to air conditioning, with some participants suggesting alternative cooling methods.
  • There are discussions about the efficiency of using larger volumes of water for cooling and the impact of container surface area on cooling duration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that water is a strong candidate for cooling due to its properties, but there is no consensus on whether alternatives could outperform it. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best approach to achieve prolonged cooling.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the effectiveness of various cooling methods and the specific conditions under which they are operating, such as room temperature and freezer location. There are also unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of melting point versus enthalpy of fusion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in practical cooling solutions, materials science, or those exploring alternatives to traditional air conditioning methods.

NoOneLt
Hi everyone,

Please help, i need to find liquid or maybe something else witch can freeze in freezer overnight, or even longer, most important thing that this liquid would unfreeze as long as possible.

Or H2O the way to go?

Thank you!
 
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NoOneLt said:
Hi everyone,

Please help, i need to find liquid or maybe something else witch can freeze in freezer overnight, or even longer, most important thing that this liquid would unfreeze as long as possible.

Or H2O the way to go?

Thank you!
I will take your question literally. If you want something to take as long as possible to melt, pick something with a high melting point. For example, Tungsten at 3422 degrees centigrade, will stay solid longer than any other metal. Or Gallium, liquid in your hand but will solidify at about 30 C.

So what exactly are you trying to do?

If you are looking to keep something cold, water has a high latent heat of fusion and is therefor very effective. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_pack.
 
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If you want something to take as long as possible to melt, pick something with a high melting point.

And not with the highest possible enthalpy of fusion (which is just another way of pointing out how ambiguous the original question is :wink:)?
 
Hey guys, sorry, plain simple, i use big bottle of water to cool down my room sometimes :) Maybe i could use something instead of water, something that will "melt" slower than water? Of course something that is possible to get easily and use indoors.
 
I'm sure water is your best bet.
How hot is your room? How hot is it outside?
 
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And where is your freezer where you are making the ice in the first place? If it's in the same room, you're not really doing much overall cooling...
 
Not in the same room of course :)
 
NoOneLt said:
Not in the same room of course :)
The reason I was asking additional questions is that I am not convinced you're basic technique is the best.
Of course, for most, they would install an air conditioner.
But there may be other methods. Can you cool air through evaporation and then direct it into your room? Instead of cooling your whole room, can you cool only the area where you work?
 
AC would be the best option of course, but not possible, what i do is basically freeze ~2liters bottle of water and put it by the fan witch blows colder air where i need. Cheap and simple, not so effective maybe.

So if 2liter bottle of H2O melts in about 4 hrs a was just curious maybe something could keep up for 6 hours or so... Or i will just freeze 5 liters H2o :)
 
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Water is the best thing here, high enthalpy of fusion, high specific heat, cheap, reusable. I don't think you will find something better (and not costing you an arm and a leg).
 
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Thank you!
 
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If you keep the fan on low, it will not generate as much heat and the ice will last longer.
Also, the "cool" may end up staying in the immediate area where you need it.
 
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You could try slightly salted water which has a lower freezing point.
Not a lot lower but could add an hour or so before they need replacing.
 
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NoOneLt said:
AC would be the best option of course, but not possible, what i do is basically freeze ~2liters bottle of water and put it by the fan witch blows colder air where i need. Cheap and simple, not so effective maybe.
In the USA, air conditioners are rated in "tons", which comes from a time when people dug ice out of lakes and stored it for summer cooling. A typical window air conditioner has a rating of about 3/4 ton, which means it can provide as much cooling as melting 3/4 ton of ice per day. And you are trying to do the same thing with 2 liters of water a day. "not so effective" is the understatement of the month so far.
 
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Borek said:
Water is the best thing here, high enthalpy of fusion, high specific heat, cheap, reusable. I don't think you will find something better (and not costing you an arm and a leg).

By volume glass has more heat capacity. The heat of melt/freeze water is much more than the heat capacity. .

You can place bottle of grain alcohol in your bucket of water. That drives the temperature lower.

Length of time cooling is determined by the surface of your container. If it isolated or insulated the heat comes out slower.
 

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