What Makes a Laser Range Finder Accurate and Reliable?

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The discussion revolves around the accuracy and reliability of laser range finders, exploring factors that influence their performance, such as target types, dynamic ranges, and specific applications. Participants inquire about the effectiveness of these devices under various conditions and the technology behind them.

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  • Some participants inquire about the most accurate range finders available and the impact of non-reflective surfaces on measurements.
  • Questions are raised regarding the range capabilities of different devices, specifically targeting distances from 1 to 50 meters or 50 to 100 meters.
  • There is discussion about the challenges posed by certain targets, such as efficient diagonal mirrors, which may complicate accurate measurements.
  • Participants emphasize the importance of understanding the application and resolution requirements when selecting a range finder.
  • One participant suggests that if reliable reflections cannot be obtained, optical triangulation might be a viable alternative for distance measurement.
  • References are made to the availability of both cheap and expensive laser range finders, highlighting differences in features such as built-in bubble levels and two-axis accelerometers for measuring elevation angles.

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Participants express varying opinions on the effectiveness of laser range finders under different conditions, and there is no consensus on the best approach or technology for specific applications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal range finder characteristics for different scenarios.

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Participants mention limitations related to dynamic ranges and the need for specific target types, which may affect the accuracy of measurements. There are also unresolved questions about the effectiveness of various measurement techniques in different contexts.

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What is the most accurate range finder have you come across? If the laser hit a surface that won't reflect.. would it still register?
 
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What range of ranges ?
Range to what targets ?
 
Baluncore said:
What range of ranges ?
Range to what targets ?

1 to 50 meters.
or 50 meters to 100 meters.
What targets can't reflect back?
 
Blue Scallop said:
What targets can't reflect back?
Some wavelength will always reflect back. Even a black body will get hot when you hit it with an IR laser.
An efficient diagonal “front surface mirror” would be a difficult target. You could not see it to get a correct range. But you could fire a pellet of reflective paint along the boreline, then get a correct range on the mirror surface.
 
Blue Scallop said:
1 to 50 meters.
or 50 meters to 100 meters.
Those are two very different dynamic ranges. 50:1 is harder to deal with than 2:1...

What is the application? What resolution do you want to achieve? And as aked already, what kind of targets do you want the range to? People? Walls? Vehicles?
 
berkeman said:
Those are two very different dynamic ranges. 50:1 is harder to deal with than 2:1...

What do you mean 2:1.. 2 meters range only?

What is the application? What resolution do you want to achieve? And as aked already, what kind of targets do you want the range to? People? Walls? Vehicles?

Buildings to measure property & signboards extensions. Do you know of ranger finder where you can aim it at an angle up to a building and it can give you the distance by taking account the angle? Because sometimes there is no horizontal object to aim like upper signs and billboards.
 
Blue Scallop said:
What do you mean 2:1.. 2 meters range only?
LOL, no. dynamic range means max divided by minimum. That goes directly into the accuracy calculations that you should be doing.
Blue Scallop said:
Buildings to measure property & signboards extensions. Do you know of ranger finder where you can aim it at an angle up to a building and it can give you the distance by taking account the angle? Because sometimes there is no horizontal object to aim like upper signs and billboards.
If you can't get a reliable reflection (of light, radar, ultrasound, etc.), then your next best technique is probably optical
triangulation. Have you looked into optical triangulation yet? It is commonly used in animal hunting range finding applications, for example...
 
Like this...

http://www.bowhunter.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/3/files/new-rangefinders-for-2013/01_bushnell.jpg
01_bushnell.jpg
 
Cheap laser range finders, (less than US$50), are available for distances up to about 100 metres. The Pythagoras mode requires a horizontal range to the foot of the wall, which is why they have a bubble level built in.

Expensive laser range finders now have a two axis accelerometer so they can measure elevation angle. They do Pythagoras without a horizontal range to the wall.

Included here on pages 10 and 11 are the Pythagoras mode instructions for cheap type.
http://www.spoton.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Powerline-PLM70-Instruction-Manual.pdf
 
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