What Makes Black Holes So Mysterious: Do They Really Absorb Light?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of black holes, specifically addressing their gravitational properties, the concept of light absorption, and the internal structure of black holes. Participants explore theoretical aspects, conceptual clarifications, and analogies related to black holes and their behavior regarding light.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that black holes have immense gravitational forces that can attract light, leading to their appearance as "black."
  • Others clarify that there is no light inside a black hole, as it is thought to contain only a singularity, and any light that enters is absorbed and cannot escape.
  • A participant describes the formation of black holes from supermassive stars collapsing under their own gravity once they exhaust their nuclear fuel, leading to a concentration of mass at the Schwarzschild Radius.
  • One analogy presented compares a black hole's gravity well to a steep hill, illustrating the concept of an event horizon beyond which nothing, including light, can escape.
  • Another participant raises a question about the meaningfulness of discussing what occurs inside a black hole, highlighting the differences in perspectives based on external observations versus internal calculations.
  • A point is made about the existence of a photon sphere at a specific distance from the singularity, where photons can theoretically orbit but are in an unstable state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of light within black holes and the implications of gravitational effects, indicating that multiple competing views remain. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the internal structure of black holes or the interpretation of light behavior near them.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of terms like "singularity" and "event horizon," as well as the implications of redshift observations versus theoretical calculations of time within a black hole.

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black holes have many times bigger gravity force...and they are black.. and inside of them there's lots of light. Is this because they absorb the light? I mean if the gravity can attract the light. and other thing, isn't black hole something like mega sun or just an object with mega gravity force that attracts all the light and therefore its black?
 
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Marshallaw4 said:
black holes have many times bigger gravity force...and they are black.. and inside of them there's lots of light.

no, there's no light inside a black hole, there's nothing inside a black hole except the singularity

any light that gets into a black hole heads straight for the singularity and disappears
… isn't black hole something like mega sun or just an object with mega gravity force that attracts all the light and therefore its black?

it can be "mega" (there seems to be a mega black hole at the centre of every galaxy), but an ordinary star can also become a black hole if it becomes dense enough

it's black because nothing can get out of it
 
A black hole is formed when a supermassive star uses up all of its 'fuel.' During a star's lifespan, countless fusion reactions take place in the core. These fusion reactions create an outward pressure. This pressure is balanced by the force of gravity that is pressing on the star. Once the star runs out of 'fuel,' it no longer has enough power to support it's own mass and it collapses in on itself due to gravity. The entire mass of the star is then concentrated on an incredibly small point. The radius of the star decreases to what is known as the "Schwarzschild Radius." The Schwarzschild Radius is the critical density in which an object will become a black hole.

They are black because they absorb anything that comes within reach of their gravitational force, including light.

Here are some links for further reading:

http://www.universetoday.com/33454/how-do-black-holes-form/
http://www.universetoday.com/39861/schwarzschild-radius/
 
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Helpful mental image for you: pretend you're a fish swimming up hill.

The steeper the hill, the more difficult it is to swim against the current, yes?

What if you were washed back into a hole with a sheer drop?

Could you swim back out? A black hole is an object with such a deep gravity well that it produces an "edge" we call an event horizon, and anything which crosses that edge, even light, can't "swim" back out.
 


tiny-tim said:
no, there's no light inside a black hole, there's nothing inside a black hole except the singularity

any light that gets into a black hole heads straight for the singularity and disappears

You sure about this tiny-tim?
 


Drakkith said:
You sure about this tiny-tim?

Well, I don't even know if it's clear to me that this is a meaningful question to ask. For example, let's say I throw a baseball into a black hole from an exterior position. We know that I'll see the ball get redshifted and redshifted but never cross the horizon. On the other hand, I could calculate, according to a watch that might be attached to the baseball, the proper time it would take for it to impact the singularity.

These two descriptions of these events are mutually exclusive, since they cannot ever communicate with each other. It seems therefore ill posed to ask the question of what is 'really' going on, or by extension to the present subject, what is 'really' inside the black hole.
 
At a distance of 1.5 times the schwarzschild radius there exists a region called the photon sphere. This is the distance at which a photon can orbit the singularity. It is, however, an unstable orbit. The least little perturbation [like infalling matter] would knock it out of orbit. Inside the photon sphere there are no possible orbits for anything, save perhaps the hypotheoretical tachyon.
 

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