What Makes the Number e So Special in Logarithmic Functions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the mathematical constant e, particularly its significance in logarithmic functions and its properties. Participants explore its definition, its approximate value, and its relationship to exponential functions, as well as the historical context of its naming.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that e is approximately 2.7 and question what makes this number special.
  • Others assert that the exact value of e is simply e, referencing its definition through an infinite series.
  • One participant mentions that e is the smallest real number larger than all finite sums of the series 1 + 1 + 1/2! + 1/3! + ...
  • Another point raised is that e is unique in that the derivative of the function a^x is a^x, and it is the only function whose derivative is equal to itself (up to a multiplicative constant).
  • Some contributions discuss the relationship of e to the natural logarithm, stating that ln(x) is defined as the area under the curve y=1/t from 1 to x.
  • Participants also mention Euler's role in the history of e, with some speculating on why he chose the letter "e" to represent this constant.
  • There is a mention of the connection between e and trigonometric functions via Euler's formula.
  • One participant humorously notes the difficulty of answering why e is approximately 2.71, likening it to the question of why π is important.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of viewpoints regarding the significance and properties of e, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation for its importance or the reasons behind its approximate value.

Contextual Notes

Some participants provide definitions and properties of e that rely on mathematical concepts such as factorials and limits, which may not be fully understood by all contributors. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with mathematical notation and terminology.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and enthusiasts of mathematics, particularly those exploring logarithmic functions, exponential growth, and the historical context of mathematical constants.

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hey

i know what the log function is

log a (x) : can be translated to :
a ^ y = x
with y to find

but with the Ln its
ln(x) = e ^ y = x
with y to find

and e = about 2.7...

But why this number ?
whats special about 2.7... ?
whats the exact value of e ?
 
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The exact value of e is e.

Strategies to convert that value into its equivalent decimal representation abound, the most common centering on the defining identity of e:
[tex]e=\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\frac{1}{n!}, 0!=1, n!=n*((n-1)!), n\geq{1}[/tex]
 
Goodmoring ALL,
the number e as "arildno" e=e and e can be calculated by an infinite series and it is a Real number.
But you asked why e?
we must know that e is the contraction of eulur, and was a mathematics scientist and he had make a great researches aboiut the number e.
also, what special about e?
physicains had found many phenomenans the changes by a function f(x) = log a(x) [log to the base a]
and the found that the approximate value of a =2.7...
 
JPC said:
and e = about 2.7...

But why this number ?
whats special about 2.7... ?
whats the exact value of e ?
Ever heard that [itex]ln[/itex] is sometimes called a natural logarithm.
Why would they call that natural and what a heck does [itex]e[/itex] have to do with nature you may ask.
Instead of answering this in a long and bit a philosophical way ,I will ask you quite a similar question :Why [itex]\pi[/itex] ,and why is important about that constant.I will not answer neither of two questions leaving you to ponder over them alone.
If you ask why is [itex]e=2.71...[/itex]and [itex]\pi=3.14...[/itex] than the answer is simple:That's becouse people like to use decimal number system (and I guess I know why ,when I take a look at my hands).
The last question "what's the exact value of e"?.The most difficult one.
Well I think I will not dare answering that one...
 
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I've dared:
The exact value of e is e. :smile:
 
the exact value of e is: the smallest real number larger than all finite sums of the series:

1 + 1 + 1/2! + 1/3! + 1/4! + 1/5!+....

it is also exactly the unique x value such that the area under the graPH OF Y = 1/X, FROM X=1 TO x=e IS 1.

it is also probably the unique smallest real number larger than all the powers of form (1+ 1/n)^n, for all positive integers n.

it is approximately equal to 2.718281828459...

e is the unique positive real number a such that the derivative of the function a^x is a^x.

e is the value at x = 1, of the unique solution of the equation

f' = f, f(0) = 1.

e is the unique positive real number a such that the function f(x) = a^x has derivative at zero equal to 1, i.e. such that f'(0) = 1.
 
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arildno said:
I've dared:
The exact value of e is e. :smile:
Yes ,yes .Of course,that is an alphabetical number system !
How could I forget that one...:smile:
 
Two point seven, two times Ibsen, 459045...:smile:
 
Why e?

"Real and Complex Analysis" by Walter Rudin starts with a prologue on the exponential function. The first sentence is "The exponential function is the most important function in mathematics."

Among other very useful features,
  • The exponential function is the only function (to within a multiplicative constant) whose derivative is equal to itself.
  • The exponential function is related to the trigonometric functions via the Euler formula,[itex]\exp(ix) = \cos x + i\sin x[/itex].
  • The derivative of the inverse of the exponential function, [itex]\log x[/itex], is simply [itex]1/x[/itex].
 
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The natural logarithm ln(x) is the simplest of the logarithms. It's defined as the area (or integral, if you will) under the graph y=1/t when t goes from 1 to x. Specifically, when the area is 1, ln(x)=e (just like mathwonk said). Also, the inverse function of ln(x) is e^x, which you may know is the only function which is its own derivative (well, it can be multiplied by a constant too), which makes it even more special.
 
  • #12
Euler himself used "e" as signifying the exponential function.
Only fifth-rate mathematicians assign their own name to their objects of study, and Euler was top-of-the-notch.

Noone knows why he called the number "e"; it is perhaps most likely it originally was short-hand for "that number which serves most "naturally" as the base in Exponential functions".
 
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Any exponential function ax has the property that its derivative (rate of change) is just a constant times itself: Cax. You can show that for a= 2, that number is less than 1 but that for a= 3 it is larger than 1. There exist a number between 2 and 3 such that the constant is exactly 1. That is the number we call e. The function ex has the property that its derivative is simply ex itself.
 
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mathwonk said:
the exact value of e is: the smallest real number larger than all finite sums of the series:

1 + 1 + 1/2! + 1/3! + 1/4! + 1/5!+....

What does the : '!' mean ?
 
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See post 2, for definition of n!
 
  • #16
"!" means factorial: 5!=5*4*3*2*1. So, in general n!=n(n-1)(n-2)...1.
 
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thanks

i tested with a program :
with ent.text : sum of all from 0 to ent
res.tex : the result

Dim c As String
Dim d As String
Dim f As String
Dim a As String

f = "1"
a = "1"

c = 1

Do Until c * 1 = ent.Text * 1
a = a * 1 * c * 1
d = 1 / a * 1 f = f + d * 1

c = c + 1 * 1

Loop

res.Text = f
and result is good
 

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