What MATH should I know for grad school physics?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical knowledge necessary for graduate-level physics, particularly in relation to various fields such as particle physics, quantum field theory (QFT), general relativity (GR), and quantum mechanics. Participants share their experiences and suggest courses that may be beneficial for understanding advanced physics concepts.

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  • One participant notes having completed standard undergraduate math courses but feels unprepared for advanced discussions, prompting a question about necessary math knowledge for grad school.
  • Another participant suggests that the required math depends on the specific area of physics one intends to pursue, listing essential topics such as real analysis, complex analysis, vector calculus, calculus of variations, ordinary differential equations (ODEs), partial differential equations (PDEs), and linear algebra.
  • A different participant adds differential geometry as a valuable subject for understanding GR, recommending consultation with graduate students about helpful courses.
  • Group theory is highlighted by one participant as important for certain areas like particle physics and basic quantum mechanics, with a personal reflection on wishing they had taken it during their undergraduate studies.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the utility of complex analysis, despite it being a requirement in their undergraduate program.
  • One suggestion is made to review various graduate school curriculums to identify required math courses relevant to specific interests.
  • A final comment mentions that mastering certain texts may prepare students for advanced courses like those by Jackson and Sakurai.

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Participants generally agree that the necessary math varies based on the specific field of physics pursued, and multiple viewpoints exist regarding the importance of different mathematical topics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which courses are universally essential.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the relevance of certain math topics, and there are differing opinions on the necessity of complex analysis and group theory. The discussion reflects a range of experiences and recommendations without a definitive consensus.

Who May Find This Useful

Students preparing for graduate studies in physics, particularly those interested in understanding the mathematical foundations relevant to their specific areas of focus.

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I've taken all the usual undergrad math courses needed for undergrad physics: calc, diff eq, linear algebra, etc. However, when I read some of the discussions on this board, or when I look at more advanced books, I'm completely lost by the math!

What math do I need to understand?

I hear references to group theory, for example. And then there are tensors and such for GR (which I'm just now starting to understand a bit). But none of these maths were offered at my undergrad institution for undergrad students.

So, what math do I need to know? Or what are good courses to take so I can understand grad-level physics (say, particle physics, QFT, grad-level quantum) and GR?

Thanks, guys.
 
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Well unless you're doing particle physics or QFT you won't learn those and unless you're doing GR you won't learn GR. In general no grad student studies all areas. So I'd say it entirely depends on what you're going into. But in general I'd say the standard is

-Real Analysis
-Complex Analysis
-Vector Calc
-A teensy bit of Calculus of Variations
-ODE's and PDE's
-linear algebra


Generally once you've done your mathematical physics course that are core for pretty much all physics majors you're done.
 
I'd throw in differential geometry into the mix. I've heard it is a great help for GR. Ask some graduate students what classes they felt were helpful and see what you come up with.
 
Group theory is a great thing to be familiar with, at least at a basic level, before you go into grad school. Obviously it's most relevant for certain areas like particle physics, but even basic quantum mechanics uses it. Group theory is the one class that I didn't take as an undergrad but wished I had.

In contrast, I haven't found complex analysis to be all that useful (although it was a requirement of my undergrad program, so I guess it must be good for something).
 
Take a look at some physics curriculums in different graduate schools for various types of physics...see what math courses are required/provided in the areas of special interest to you...also note required pre-requisite courses.
 
If you can get through boas i'd say you're set for jackson and sakurai.
 

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