What Milky Way stars could go supernova to < +3 at any time?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying stars in the Milky Way that could potentially go supernova and reach an apparent magnitude of +3 or brighter at their peak brightness. Participants explore the visibility of such stars, the implications of their potential supernova events, and the observational capabilities of astronomers in response to these events.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that Betelgeuse is a well-known candidate for a supernova but seeks to identify other stars that could achieve a brightness of +3 or brighter.
  • Another participant lists several stars that are currently visible with a magnitude of +3 or brighter, but clarifies that the original question pertains to stars that could reach that brightness at the peak of a supernova.
  • Concerns are raised about the ambiguity of the magnitude cutoff, with a participant noting that historical supernova SN1987A was brighter than +3 and not even in the Milky Way.
  • It is mentioned that there are thousands of potential progenitor stars for supernovae, but many are unnamed or obscured, complicating the identification process.
  • Specific stars like Sher 25 and Eta Carinae are proposed as likely candidates for imminent supernova events.
  • A participant introduces the Supernova Early Warning System, which aims to provide advance notice of supernova events based on neutrino detection, referencing the early detection of SN1987A.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the criteria for identifying stars that could go supernova and reach a brightness of +3. There is no consensus on a definitive list of stars, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific candidates.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations in predicting supernova events, including the obscuration of many potential progenitor stars and the uncertainty in determining which stars will explode and when.

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(I use +3 as the cutoff as that seems to be the limit of easily visible stars.) Yes, I know that Betelgeuse could go up in a < -10 blaze of glory, but I wonder what other ones are out there.

On a side note, how fast could the big observatories move to it to observe it? And how quickly would it be noticed at all?
 
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physicshelp21 said:
There are many stars that are visible to the naked eye and have an apparent magnitude of +3 or brighter. Some examples include Sirius, Canopus, Alpha Centauri A and B, Vega, Capella, Arcturus, and Rigel. There are also many other stars that are visible to the naked eye but have an apparent magnitude fainter than +3.

Regarding your second question, the speed at which observatories could move to observe Betelgeuse depends on a number of factors, including the distance to the star, the location of the observatories, and the availability of suitable telescopes and other equipment. Betelgeuse is located approximately 642.5 light-years from Earth, which means that it would take a very long time for a spacecraft or other astronomical observatory to travel there.
I hope it helped.
I meant what stars could go as bright as +3 at the peak of their supernova, not current stars.

This weird answer sounds like it was generated by a bot.
 
swampwiz said:
This weird answer sounds like it was generated by a bot.
Some people think that's funny.

You're not going to get a list.

First, your magnitude is not constraining. SN1987a wasn't even in our galaxy and it was brighter than 3.

Next, there are thousands upon thousands of stars who are likely progenitors. If we get on average one SN every 30 years and could tell within 30,000 years when one was nearing the end (and we can't) that would be a thousand stars. Of these many thousands of stars, most don't have names, just catalog numbers, and some are obscured by dust and gas.

You want some possibilities: Sher 25 and Eta Carinae are likely to go "soon".
 
swampwiz said:
(I use +3 as the cutoff as that seems to be the limit of easily visible stars.) Yes, I know that Betelgeuse could go up in a < -10 blaze of glory, but I wonder what other ones are out there.

On a side note, how fast could the big observatories move to it to observe it? And how quickly would it be noticed at all?

https://snews2.org/

The Super Nova Early Warning System is designed to give electromagnetic telescopes a warning ahead of the supernova's light.

The principle was first demonstrated when neutrinos from supernova SN1987a preceded that explosion's light by two to three hours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1987A

Thanks,

Cerenkov.
 
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