What numbers is Ron thinking of for his Mystery Number?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding a specific 3-digit number that Ron is thinking of, based on certain mathematical conditions involving the digits of the number. Participants explore methods to derive the number through algebraic equations and trial and error, with a focus on the implications of digit exchanges.

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Main Points Raised

  • Ron’s number is a 3-digit number less than 500, represented as \(N=100a+10b+c\).
  • One condition states that exchanging the hundreds and ones digits results in a number that is 396 more than the original number, leading to the equation \(c-a=4\).
  • Another condition states that exchanging the ones and tens digits results in a number that is 18 more than the original number, leading to the equation \(c-b=2\).
  • One participant proposes a formula \(N=111a+24\) based on the derived equations.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative approach by manipulating the equations to derive a new relationship: \(10c + b = 42 + 11a\).
  • There is a mention of the possibility of \(a\) being equal to 5, although it is noted that the number must be less than 500.
  • One participant lists potential solutions: 135, 246, 357, and 468, indicating they have found numbers that satisfy the conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants explore various methods to solve the problem, with some proposing different equations and approaches. There is no consensus on a single method or solution, and multiple viewpoints are presented regarding the potential values of Ron's number.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on assumptions about the digits and their relationships, and the discussion includes trial and error methods that may not yield all possible solutions. The constraints of the problem, such as the requirement for the number to be less than 500, are acknowledged but not resolved in terms of all possible outcomes.

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Ron is thinking of a 3-digit number less than 500. If he exchanges the ones and hundreds digits, the new number is 396 more. If he exchanges the ones and tens, the new number is 18 more. Find as many numbers as you can of which Ron is thinking.

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I am using a Trial & Error method for this type of problem. its taking too much time.
here it is:
abc - cba = abc + 396
125 - 521 = -396
am i doing this correctly?

in the second situation ;
abc -acb = abc + 18
125 - 152 = -27 (Did not satisfy the second situation) definitely my trial is wrong.. or did I analyzed it correctly?
 
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I would let Ron's number be:

$$N=100a+10b+c$$

So, first we are told

$$(100c+10b+a)-(100a+10b+c)=396$$

or:

$$99c-99a=396$$

$$c-a=4\tag{1}$$

Next, we are told:

$$(100a+10c+b)-(100a+10b+c)=18$$

or:

$$9c-9b=18$$

$$c-b=2\tag{2}$$

Thus, we know we must have:

$$N=100a+10(a+2)+(a+4)=111a+24$$

Since we know $0<a<5$, can you now find the numbers? :)
 
Alternatively (but not as "tight" as Mark's solution),

(1) 100c + 10b + a = 100a + 10b + c + 396
(2) 100a + 10c + b = 100a + 10b + c + 18

(1) - (2):
90c + 9b - 99a = 378

Divide both sides by 9:

10c + b - 11a = 42
10c + b = 42 + 11a [for a = (1, 2, 3, 4)]
 
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Hmmm...a can also equal 5, right?
Try 579.
 
abc < 500
 
greg1313 said:
abc < 500

Smarty pants :)
 
Oh, Got it..
Thanks a Lot.
my answers are:
135
246
357
468
(Handshake)
 

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