What order do you transform graphs in?

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The discussion revolves around the transformations of graphs in the context of A2 mathematics, specifically focusing on the order in which these transformations should be applied. Participants are exploring how different transformations, such as stretches and translations, affect the graph of a function.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correct order of transformations and shares a hunch regarding the sequence. Other participants provide insights into their understanding of the transformations and question the implications of horizontal translations in relation to stretches.

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Participants are actively engaging with the topic, with some offering guidance based on their interpretations of the order of operations for transformations. There is a mix of opinions on the correct approach, and the discussion is ongoing without a clear consensus.

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The original poster mentions a time constraint due to an upcoming exam, which adds urgency to the inquiry. There is also a reference to the teachers' suggestion to "try out different orders," indicating a lack of a definitive answer from authoritative sources.

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Homework Statement


In my A2 maths class, we were doing revision on transformations of graphs, as in:

Homework Equations


with a graph f(x)
af(x) is a stretch scale factor a in the y-direction
f(bx) is a stretch scale factor 1/b in the x-direction
f(x)+c is a translation of c in the y- direction
f(x+d) is a translation of d in the negative x- direction
anyway, back to 1. Homework Statement
When a question came up where we had to do multiple transformations, and the order in which you do them mattered, most of my class got the question wrong, and when we asked the teachers how to do it, the 3 of them consulted, and they essentially said "try out different orders until you get the right answer", which seems awfully crude and time consuming to me, so I am wondering if there is a specific order in which you can do it to get the right answer. If not, why not? (please answer within the next week, as my exam is soon!)

The Attempt at a Solution


My hunch is you do:
stretches in y,
stretches in x,
translations in y,
translations in x, but that is only a hunch and I don't actually know, so please help!
 
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What exactly was the graph that you had to transform?

The way I would do it would be how your hunch said to do it.
 
jetwaterluffy said:
My hunch is you do:
stretches in y,
stretches in x,
translations in y,
translations in x, but that is only a hunch and I don't actually know, so please help!
No, that's not right. For multiple translations, I would follow the "order of operations", more or less. But things get confusing when there are multiple horizontal translations. For instance, if I have a transformed function
a \cdot f(bx - c) + d,
first rewrite as
a \cdot f(b(x - c/b)) + d,
because, within the parentheses, if you have a horizontal stretch/shrink and a translation, f(bx - c) does NOT have a horizontal translation of c units, but c/b units, due to the horizontal stretch/shrink.

Starting with
f(x),
the order of transformations would be as follows:
f(x - c/b)
-> translation right/left c/b units,
f(b(x - c/b)) = f(bx - c)
-> horizontal stretch/shrink by a factor of b,
a \cdot f(bx - c)
-> vertical stretch/shrink by a factor of a, and
a \cdot f(bx - c) + d
-> translation up/down d units.


Hope I'm not giving too much away.
 
rock.freak667 said:
What exactly was the graph that you had to transform?

The way I would do it would be how your hunch said to do it.
I'm looking for a general rule really, as I could be asked about it for any graph in the exam.
eumyang said:
No, that's not right. For multiple translations, I would follow the "order of operations", more or less. But things get confusing when there are multiple horizontal translations. For instance, if I have a transformed function
a \cdot f(bx - c) + d,
first rewrite as
a \cdot f(b(x - c/b)) + d,
because, within the parentheses, if you have a horizontal stretch/shrink and a translation, f(bx - c) does NOT have a horizontal translation of c units, but c/b units, due to the horizontal stretch/shrink.

Starting with
f(x),
the order of transformations would be as follows:
f(x - c/b)
-> translation right/left c/b units,
f(b(x - c/b)) = f(bx - c)
-> horizontal stretch/shrink by a factor of b,
a \cdot f(bx - c)
-> vertical stretch/shrink by a factor of a, and
a \cdot f(bx - c) + d
-> translation up/down d units.


Hope I'm not giving too much away.

Thanks, this is really helpful.
 

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