What should I read next? Advice needed

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for books and resources in physics, particularly focusing on relativity and quantum physics, for someone with a basic understanding of physics and a stronger background in mathematics. The participant expresses a desire to deepen their understanding without pursuing a formal physics education.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to understand important equations in relativity and quantum physics, despite having only elementary physics knowledge.
  • Another participant questions the realism of the goal, suggesting that a substantial background in both physics and mathematics is typically required to truly understand these concepts.
  • There is a suggestion to explore introductory texts, specifically recommending "Fundamentals of Physics" by Resnick/Halliday and "University Physics" by Young and Freedman as good starting points.
  • A participant acknowledges the initial book suggestions and emphasizes their willingness to improve their mathematics along the way.
  • There is a recommendation to focus on special relativity first, as the mathematics of general relativity is considered too advanced for the current level of understanding.
  • Popular science reading is suggested for discussions on general relativity, indicating a preference for less technical material at this stage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for a solid foundation in both physics and mathematics to understand advanced topics, but there is no consensus on the feasibility of the original participant's goals or the best approach to achieve them.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that true understanding of mathematical equations requires experience and context, which may not be achievable with only basic knowledge. The discussion reflects varying opinions on the appropriateness of certain texts based on the participant's current level.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in self-study of physics concepts, particularly those with a background in mathematics looking to explore relativity and quantum physics without formal education.

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I'm not doing physics at college but I want to dabble in the concepts and the mathematics of it. I already know the basic physics of motion, force and etc. (physics without calculus so far) and now I want to do something more advanced. My mathematics is fine ( basic calculus, complex algebra, linear algebra etc.) even though I have a lot of multi-variable calculus yet to learn. The point is, with mathematics I have all the resources I need and I find it easy to take it to any level I want. With Physics however, I don't know any good books or websites to get me beyond this elementary stage in physics. This is because I am self-taught.

I would be so grateful if people could recommend me some books or websites bearing in mind the following:

- My Physics knowledge is elementary, despite my maths knowledge
- I do not want to become a physicist, I just want to have an understanding of the important equations in relativity and quantum physics. I am not interested in doing long drawn out mechanics problems but I am willing to slog a fair bit to get to my goal (just not too much!). It's having a mathematical understanding of the concepts I'm after.
- The cheaper the better! I'm poor and I can't afford to spend a hell of a lot. This aside, I am willing to fork out a bit if you really think the book is worth the money it's demanding.

Thank you very much!
 
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horacesilver said:
- My Physics knowledge is elementary, despite my maths knowledge
- I do not want to become a physicist, I just want to have an understanding of the important equations in relativity and quantum physics. I am not interested in doing long drawn out mechanics problems but I am willing to slog a fair bit to get to my goal (just not too much!). It's having a mathematical understanding of the concepts I'm after.

Firstly, welcome to the forums, horacesilver!

I'm not really sure this is a realistic goal and, to be honest, it sounds as though your math knowledge is fairly basic as well, though forgive me if I misunderstand. But! I am all for trying, and enjoy anyone with enthusiasm.

First of all, you should appreciate that understanding things like relativity (you make no distinction for special or general? special relativity has some mathematics that you might be able to look at) and quantum mechanics require a substantial set of background understanding in physics and so in mathematics also. 'Understanding' mathematical equations isn't as simple as looking at it and knowing what the terms mean or even the ability to use them. True understanding comes from experience and an appreciation for the context of the equation within the overall system. This takes a lot of time and effort for the subjects that you mention.

There are introductory texts to these subjects that you could look at and begin to digest. If you want to pursue some introductory knowledge then parts of special relativity will be good at. For this, and a prelude to quantum mechanics, I would recommend any good intro undergraduate text - particularly (the excellent!) Resnick/Halliday "Fundamentals of Physics" or "University Physics" by Young and Freedman.
 
fasterthanjoao said:
I'm not really sure this is a realistic goal and, to be honest, it sounds as though your math knowledge is fairly basic as well, though forgive me if I misunderstand. But! I am all for trying, and enjoy anyone with enthusiasm.

Thanks for the reply!

Yes, my maths knowledge is basic in the context of quantum mechanics and general relativity but I wanted to make it clear that it's not so basic I can't go beyond basic equations of motion! - if you see what I mean. It's also a discipline I can easily improve along the way.

Thanks a lot for those book suggestions I'll definitely check those out! A good undergraduate text would be great.
 
horacesilver said:
Thanks for the reply!
my maths knowledge is basic in the context of quantum mechanics and general relativity

No problem. Those books are good for getting an idea of the concepts - there is obviously plenty of room for development. If you can first of all look at a text such as that, then let us know how you get on that would be good. And, for the sake of clarity, I recommend restricting yourself to discussions in special relativity - for now, the mathematics of general relativity is much too advanced. I would stick to popular science reading for discussions in GR :smile:
 

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