What Sparked the Concept of Quantum Tunneling and How is it Proven?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of quantum tunneling, exploring its historical origins, the reasoning behind its formulation, and the experimental evidence supporting it. Participants express curiosity about the nature of tunneling, its implications for particle behavior, and seek resources for deeper understanding.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the historical motivation for the concept of quantum tunneling and seeks experimental evidence that supports its interpretation over classical approaches.
  • Another participant argues that quantum tunneling can occur even when particles are prepared in precise energy states, challenging the notion that only high-energy particles can tunnel.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the jumping of electrons could be explained by collective collisions rather than tunneling, raising questions about the isolation of particles during tunneling events.
  • Participants discuss the NH3 molecule as an example of tunneling, noting that it oscillates across a potential barrier without external influence, which is presented as evidence for tunneling behavior.
  • Concerns are raised about the differences between tunneling and classical conductivity models, with references to experimental characteristics that distinguish tunneling phenomena from ohmic behavior.
  • Several participants express a desire for resources and textbooks that provide clear explanations and mathematical treatments of quantum tunneling.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of tunneling versus classical explanations. There are competing views on the mechanisms behind tunneling and the nature of particle interactions, indicating an unresolved debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the Schrödinger equation as a fundamental tool for understanding tunneling, but acknowledge that the mathematical details can be complex and require significant algebraic work. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity in definitions and assumptions related to energy states and particle behavior.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and researchers in quantum mechanics, particularly those looking for insights into quantum tunneling, its historical context, and experimental validation. It may also benefit those seeking recommendations for educational resources on the topic.

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I'm trying to wrap my brain around the notion of tunneling and am hoping somebody could be of assistance.

I'm wondering about the history of the idea, why was the notion of quantum tunneling first created? (What prompted the idea?)

Also, I'd like to find experiments that have shown that quantum tunneling is the appropriate way to interpret what is happening rather than an intuitive approach that I keep hanging on to and can't shake. (I'm thinking that it could be based on various energies for the particles, like that of a Boltzmann distribution for gas particles. Then only the higher energy particles have enough energy to get through, etc.) So evidence that shows the correct path would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Prologue said:
(I'm thinking that it could be based on various energies for the particles, like that of a Boltzmann distribution for gas particles. Then only the higher energy particles have enough energy to get through, etc.)
That isn't it, because you can prepare particles in very precise energy states and you'll still get the effect. It sounds like what bothers you is that the particles don't have enough energy, so you want to imagine a few particles that do, but remember, what we mean by "have enough energy" can be interpreted in two ways. Classically, we say the particle has to have enough energy at all times, so cannot cross a "forbidden" region, but quantum mechanically, there is an uncertainty relation that says we are allowed to not conserve energy for short enough times, but at the end of the day the energy does have to be conserved. So this means the particle cannot linger in regions where it would not have enough energy, but it can make short forays through such regions. If at the place where the particle ultimately ends up after tunneling, it does have enough energy to be allowed to be there, then you can get tunneling without violating conservation of energy.

Even in forbidden regions, you can also find the particle, because the act of localizing the particle in the forbidden region will require using enough energy in the detection that it can explain how the particle got enough energy to be there! So the bottom line is, in quantum mechanics, the energies only have to work out in the end, after you include everything that happened including the detection itself.
So evidence that shows the correct path would be greatly appreciated.
I don't know much about the state of the observations, but you could google Josephson junctions to see a macroscopic example of the tunneling phenomenon in action.
 
Thanks Ken. To me it seems that the jumping of electrons from one side to the other could be explained by collective well-timed collisions in the material. Just like water evaporating from our skin, the molecules themselves don't have the energy to just fly off. But due to a series of well-timed collisions one molecule can manage to escape (and doesn't come crashing back, leaving the others cooler). That is not tunneling, that is a macroscopic effect explained to me by random fluctuations in the molecules velocity due to collisions. However, when tunneling is introduced it is treated as one isolated particle so there would be no opportunity for it to be influenced from 'outside'. My big question is, how do we know for sure that this happens to single particles not influenced by outside things?

I'm checking out SQUIDS now, they are very interesting.
 
Prologue said:
My big question is, how do we know for sure that this happens to single particles not influenced by outside things?
The simple answer is, because quantum mechanics describes it that way, and quantum mechanics works great. But I know that you would rather have a physical example that is more concrete than a whole theory, so I would point to the NH3 molecule. IIRC, the 3 Hs make a triangle, and the N has to be on one side or the other of that plane, but by symmetry it is equally happy on either side. So the 3 Hs form something like a wall that the N does not have the energy to breach, but nevertheless the NH3 molecule emits a spectrum consistent with that N nucleus oscillating back and forth across that wall. The explanation is tunneling, and note there we do not have anything else happening that could bump up the energy of a new Ns-- they are all doing it, in isolation.
 
Prologue said:
Thanks Ken. To me it seems that the jumping of electrons from one side to the other could be explained by collective well-timed collisions in the material.

No you can't. That's nothing more than simple Drude model of conductivity.

If you look at, for example, the current versus voltage characteristics of tunneling current versus ohmic current in a superconductor-insulator-normal junction (i.e. your "electrons collisions"), you'll see the the characteristic is VERY different. The ohmic characteristics gives you the Ohm's law relationship, whereas the tunneling characteristics has a region where there's NO current whatsoever due to the energy gap in the density of states, something which a simple, normal transport would not be able to detect.

The same can be said about Josephson junction where supercurrent tunnel through the barrier. You get a huge current at zero bias, something that isn't expected with normal conductance.

So yes, they ARE different!

Zz.
 
I really appreciate the replies but where can I read about this stuff? I would really like to see an introduction that involves a thorough explanation including clear arguments in math if possible. Where is this topic discussed, and which books are best for clarity (I appreciate the style of griffiths or similar)?
 
the clear argument is solving the shrodinger equation for a finite potential barrier which is treated in any introductory quantum book. i'll type it up when i get home.
 
E.L. Wolf has a book that's almost a classic for tunneling spectroscopy (I used it for my graduate work). It's called "Principle of electron tunneling spectroscopy". I claim a direct "pedigree" from him since my graduate advisor was his student.

Zz.
 
Many intro QM textbooks discuss how to solve the Schrödinger equation for the basic idealized tunnelling setup. Unfortunately, while setting up the solution is fairly simple, actually grinding out the transmission and reflection probabilities, and the complete wave function, takes a lot of algebra. Michael Morrison's "Understanding Quantum Physics" has most of the gory details in section 8.6 (Tunnelling for Fun and Profit).
 

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