What to read/study over the summer?

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for reading and studying materials over the summer in preparation for graduate studies in engineering, specifically astronautical engineering with a focus on spacecraft systems design. Participants explore various subjects and resources that may be beneficial for the transition from physics to engineering.

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  • One participant seeks advice on what to study over the summer before starting graduate school in engineering.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the specific field of engineering to provide more tailored recommendations.
  • Several subjects are suggested, including linear algebra, linear controls theory, dynamics, calculus of variations, mechanics of materials, and vibrations, with an emphasis on practical application rather than theoretical derivation.
  • Some participants recommend reading non-traditional texts, such as "Don Quixote," "The Phantom Blot," "What is Mathematics?" by Courant and Robbins, and "Geometry and the Imagination" by Hilbert, arguing that these works provide valuable perspectives not typically encountered in college.
  • Concerns are raised about the appropriateness of the suggested non-scientific texts, with one participant questioning whether the recommendations were sarcastic.
  • Another participant defends the value of reading diverse materials, asserting that they can enhance understanding and connections in mathematics beyond standard coursework.
  • Participants express dissatisfaction with engineering textbooks' treatment of mathematics, noting that they often fail to adequately explain concepts, leading to confusion when learning new mathematical methods.
  • Specific mathematics textbooks are recommended, including Stewart's "Calculus: Concepts and Context," Lay's linear algebra text, and Blanchard/Devaney/Hall for differential equations, with some participants expressing a desire for better resources on signals and systems.
  • One participant mentions a positive experience with the chapter on Fourier series in Edwards and Penney's book and recommends Churchill for complex analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of opinions regarding the value of traditional versus non-traditional reading materials, with some supporting the inclusion of diverse texts while others question their relevance. There is also a shared concern about the quality of mathematics instruction in engineering textbooks, indicating a general agreement on the need for better resources, but no consensus on specific recommendations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in the quality of engineering textbooks regarding mathematical explanations, suggesting a gap in effective teaching methods. There is also a lack of consensus on the appropriateness of certain recommended readings, highlighting differing perspectives on what constitutes valuable preparatory material.

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I'm going to grad school for engineering in the fall and just got my BS in Physics. What should I read/study over the summer to get some preparation for engineering studies at the graduate level?
 
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ColdFusion85 said:
I'm going to grad school for engineering in the fall and just got my BS in Physics. What should I read/study over the summer to get some preparation for engineering studies at the graduate level?

What field of engineering are you studying? What subject area are you interested in pertaining to that field?

Nobody can answer your question based on the vague information you provided.
 
astronautical engineering. spacecraft systems design
 
Linear algebra, Linear controls theory, dynamics, calculus of variations, maybe some mechanics of materials and vibrations. (As pertaining to mechanical systems, not deriving equations. Know how to use it).
 
i recommend don quixote book 1, and, if you can find it, the Phantom Blot (starring mickey mouse), and maybe what is mathematics? by courant and robbins, or geometry and the imagination by hilbert.

these are books you may not see i college so its the last time to get a chance to see their perspective.
 
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mathwonk said:
i recommend don quixote book 1, and, if you can find it, the Phantom Blot (starring mickey mouse), and maybe what is mathematics? by courant and robbins, or geometry and the imagination by hilbert.

these are books you may not see i college so its the last time to get a chance to see their perspective.

Is this supposed to be sarcasm? :confused:
 
does it seem poor advice or sarcastic? those are some of my favorite books. the idea is that this is the last free summer for a long time. why not read something good, that is not required? apparently you are not familiar with the great blot mystery. and courant and robbins or hilbert will teach you more math than a slew of college courses, and show the connections between different areas. unfortunately i did not read your prior post , so there was no intent to counter it.
 
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oops. he's going to grad school! in that case i would remove courant robbins and hilbert and add courant hilbert, methods of mathematical physics, and batman.

i think i had this confused with a previous thread which was a high schooler wanting similar advice before going to college. but sarcasm is not my forte, you have to be too clever. I am more into humorous stupidity.
 
mathwonk said:
does it seem poor advice or sarcastic? those are some of my favorite books. the idea is that this is the last free summer for a long time. why not read something good, that is not required? apparently you are not familiar with the great blot mystery. and courant and robbins or hilbert will teach you more math than a slew of college courses, and show the connections between different areas. unfortunately i did not read your prior post , so there was no intent to counter it.

Sure, I think there's nothing wrong with taking time out to read some books that are not hard core science related (batman, etc). Also, more math is always a good thing.

Oh man, do engineering books do a piss poor job on the math. I have found that every time I have to 'learn' the new math from an engineering book its a disaster. When I've seen the math done in a formal and proper way from a math class first, then I know what the author 'means' even though he's doing a crappy job explaining it.
 
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cyrusabdollahi said:
I have found that every time I have to 'learn' the new math from an engineering book its a disaster.

I second that.
 
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as a math guy, i am interested in what books do a good job teaching math to engineers?
 
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Stewart, Calculus concepts and context (second edition) was good for calc I,II, and III.

Lay (UMD) for linear algebra was good.

Stats, I used Navidi - HORRIBLE don't even TOUCH this book

Diff Eqs, Blanchard/Devaney/Hall (2nd), it was O.K.

These are the major courses one needs to know as far as engineering goes.

But I *wish* I had a good course on signals and systems.

I.e.

-fourier Transforms
-z-transform
-fourier series ( I just use them, don't really know the inner workings of them)
-convolution integrals (engineering books BUTCHER them)
-complex math
-more discrete math (for digital system)
 
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i have heard the chapter in edwards and penney is good on Fourier series.and churchill has always been recommended for complex analysis.
 

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