What type of field can have a Lorentz invariant VEV?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which a field can develop a vacuum expectation value (VEV) that maintains Lorentz invariance and does not break Poincaré invariance. Participants explore various types of fields, including scalar, fermionic, and vector fields, and their implications for symmetry in the context of theoretical physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a scalar field does not break Poincaré invariance because it does not transform under Lorentz transformations.
  • There is uncertainty about whether other types of fields, such as fermions or vector fields, can also maintain Poincaré invariance when acquiring a VEV.
  • One participant questions the nature of the vacuum and whether it could be represented by a spinor or vector, prompting further inquiry into the direction of the background.
  • A participant suggests that rank 2 tensor fields may develop a VEV proportional to the metric tensor without breaking Lorentz invariance, as the metric is invariant by definition.
  • Another participant challenges the idea that a general metric breaks Poincaré invariance, noting that the Minkowski metric transforms like a second-rank tensor.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the vacuum being Lorentz invariant and how this relates to the transformation properties of fields under Lorentz transformations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether fields other than scalars can maintain Poincaré invariance when acquiring a VEV. While some agree on the invariance of scalar fields, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the roles of fermions and vector fields.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding of how the metric would act on the vacuum and the implications of different field types on Lorentz invariance. There is also a lack of consensus on the nature of the vacuum and its representation.

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Suppose I have a field \hat{X}...
What kind of operator should it be in order to develop a vev which doesn't break the Poincare invariance?
I am sure that a scalar field doesn't break the poincare invariance, because it doesn't transform.
However I don't know how to write it down mathematically or prove it...
Also, because I don't know how to "prove" it, I am not sure if there can exist some other X field/operator which would keep the poincare invariance untouched after getting a vev...So why couldn't it be a fermion? or a vector field?

Is it the same as looking at the Lorentz group? So that you have the scalar in (0,0)repr, while the fermions can be in (1/2,0) or (0,1/2) and vectors in (1/2,1/2)?
But who tells me that the vacuum shouldn't be a spinor or vector?
 
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ChrisVer said:
But who tells me that the vacuum shouldn't be a spinor or vector?

In which direction does the background point?
 
what is the background?
 
I'm sorry. I mean vacuum. In what direction does it point?
 
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Apart from scalar fields, rank 2 tensor fields may develop a vev proportional to the metric tensor without breaking Lorentz invariance since the metric by definition is invariant.
 
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I thought that a general metric breaks poincare invariance (and brings instead general coord transfs)?q
For minkowski metric, doesn't it transform like a 2nd rank tensor?
 
Exactly, and since the form of the metric is preserved, it looks the same in all frames. Thus, a vev proportional to the metric does not break Lorentz invariance.
 
is there any source dealing with such a thing (vev of the minkowski metric)? I am not even sure how the metric would act on the vacuum...
 
ChrisVer said:
Suppose I have a field \hat{X}...
What kind of operator should it be in order to develop a vev which doesn't break the Poincare invariance?
I am sure that a scalar field doesn't break the poincare invariance, because it doesn't transform.
However I don't know how to write it down mathematically or prove it...
Also, because I don't know how to "prove" it, I am not sure if there can exist some other X field/operator which would keep the poincare invariance untouched after getting a vev...So why couldn't it be a fermion? or a vector field?

A VEV coming from a scalar field is Poincarè invariant for the following reason (I'm excluding the case of the VEV being proportional to the metric since I'm not very familiar with it). Under a Lorentz transformation \Lambda a generic field transforms as:
$$
U^\dagger(\Lambda)\phi(x)U(\Lambda)=S(\Lambda)\phi(\Lambda x),
$$
where U(\Lambda) belongs to the representation of the Lorentz group acting on the physical states while S(\Lambda) belongs to the representation acting on the operators.

The vacuum is clearly Lorentz invariant. If you want for your VEV to be Lorentz invariant it must be:
$$
\langle 0|\phi(x)|0\rangle=\langle 0|\phi(\Lambda x)|0\rangle,
$$
however, because of the invariance of the vacuum:
$$
\langle 0|\phi(x)|0\rangle=\langle 0|U^\dagger(\Lambda)\phi(x)U(\Lambda)|0\rangle=S(\Lambda)\langle 0|\phi(\Lambda x)|0\rangle,
$$
and so it must be S=1 which is true for a scalar field.
 
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