What type of pump is used by this product?

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The discussion centers around identifying the type of pump used in a specific pressure washer product. Participants explore various pump types and their suitability for producing pressurized water, considering factors such as pressure output and flow rate. The conversation includes technical reasoning and comparisons of different pump mechanisms.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the pressure washer could use a piston pump, diaphragm pump, or centrifugal pump, noting that it operates on DC current and produces around 80 psi.
  • Others argue against the use of piston or diaphragm pumps due to their tendency to produce a pulsed spray, proposing instead that it could be a centrifugal pump or a small air compressor.
  • One participant asserts that centrifugal pumps cannot achieve the pressures required for power washing and suggests that the device likely uses a gear pump or vein type pump.
  • Another participant mentions that larger gasoline-powered models typically use plunger pumps, which can generate high pressure at low flow rates.
  • Some participants discuss the variability in pressure ratings for pressure washers, with typical models operating in the 2000-3000 psi range, and note that lower pressure units can still function as pressure washers.
  • There is a suggestion that the pressure washer may pressurize an onboard tank with air, similar to a super soaker design.
  • One participant shares a personal experience with a centrifugal pump achieving 100 psi, while another emphasizes the importance of the specific application and residue removal when determining pump type.
  • Some participants note that pressure washers can vary widely in design and functionality, leading to differing opinions on the appropriate pump type for the discussed product.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the type of pump used in the pressure washer, with no consensus reached. Some believe it could be a centrifugal pump, while others advocate for positive displacement pumps like gear or plunger pumps. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact pump type.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various pressure ratings and pump types without reaching a definitive conclusion on the specific model in question. There are assumptions about the necessary pressure for effective washing and the efficiency of different pump designs that remain unexamined.

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Dear Engineering Experts,

I saw this pressure washer on youtube :

and could not figure out exactly what type of pump is used. I could not find the manufacturer's home page. Websites featuring this are :

http://home-solutions.hsn.com/nomad-h2o-on-the-go-power-washer_p-3652885_xp.aspx

http://www.comforthouse.com/pressurewasher.html


I know that there are several types of pump that can product pressurised water for example, water pressure booster pump. So, it could be a piston pump, diaphragm pump or a centrifugal pump.

It is running on DC current and the pressure it produces seems to be around 80psi and the flow rate is very low.

more info can be found here:

Hope to get some advise from forummers.

Have a great day
Best regards
Ramone
 
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I don't think it is a piston pump or a diaphragm pump because both of the produce a pulse type spray. It could be a centrifugal pump or it could be a small air compressor used to pressurize the tank and force the water out.
 
Woody101 said:
I don't think it is a piston pump or a diaphragm pump because both of the produce a pulse type spray. It could be a centrifugal pump or it could be a small air compressor used to pressurize the tank and force the water out.

Uh...No. You can't achieve the pressures needed for a power washing with a centrifugal pump, it has to be positive displacement. And compressing the air inside the tank would be very inefficient. The device most likely uses a gear pump or vein type pump.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_pump
 
They are generally plunger pumps, at least on the larger gasoline powered models ( I'm guessing that the small electric ones are as well) - you get a lot of pressure at low flow rates very simply with a plunger pump. Picture it as a car engine but with the crackshaft driven and the pistons pumping water.

http://www.arnorthamerica.com/
 
Topher925 said:
Uh...No. You can't achieve the pressures needed for a power washing with a centrifugal pump, it has to be positive displacement. And compressing the air inside the tank would be very inefficient. The device most likely uses a gear pump or vein type pump.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gear_pump


That depends on what type of pressure you have determined you need for 'pressure washing'. What are we washing? How easily is the residue removed? Those sorts of questions. A typical pressure washer will create pressures of several thousand PSI at several gallons per minute. But, as it so happens I 'pressure washed' some parts today rinsing out some residue with a 5.5 HP gas motor and a centrifugal pump. I have repaired a pressure washer pump that spec'd at 3000 PSI 5.1 gallons/minute which used ceramic pistons. The piston is actually a ceramic sleeve with a bolt down through the top that screws into a connecting rod assembly. The piston slides in and out of a chamber with check valves for input and output. A crankshaft with connecting rod assembly runs in a separate chamber so any leakage from the pump drains out instead of leaking into the crankcase. Anyone reasonably mechanical can repair these pumps.
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Centrifugal pumps can achieve 100 PSI without to much trouble. Enough for washing some things.
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I watched the video and I'd say there is no more than 100 PSI there. It takes a 5 HP electric motor to run a 2000-3000 PSI pump at 5 gallons/minute. I would be willing to bet that it is a centrifugal pump. For the money they are asking for this washer I don't think a positive displacement pump plus the unloader valve could be fit into the budget. You cannot dead-head a positive displacement pump where a centrifugal pump will just sit and run in this condition.
 
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Not sure who your post is directed to Fred, but that was my whole point. Most pressure washers are in fact in the several thousand PSI range. But that is not to say you cannot wash some things with less pressure. So if it squirts out of a nozzle, and is able to wash debris off, it is technically a pressure washer. I'd say the one in question is advertized that way since it doesn't look to me like several thousand PSI at the nozzle.
 
Looking at the product and seeing how it has an on-board tank of water, my guess is the unit pressurizes the tank with air like a super soaker.
 
you can look at product pictures at http://www.ingersollrandproducts.com/IS/Category.aspx-am_en-24753" they have all different types so you can see what kind yours is
 
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I have seen hose nozzles that connect to the garden hose be called pressure washers, too

its hard to beat a 1/4 drive socket with a 1/8-3/16th hole clamped into a chunk of broke garden hose for a nozzle, though

dr
 

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