What would be the ameter reading?

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The discussion revolves around an electrical circuit problem involving an ammeter reading, resistors in parallel, and the effects of closing a switch in the circuit. The original poster presents a scenario where the ammeter reads 0.6 A with the switch open and questions what the reading will be when the switch is closed. Additional questions about calculating resistance values and current draw from a voltage supply are also posed.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of closing the switch on the ammeter reading and question the assumptions about the circuit's behavior. There are inquiries about how to approach the calculations for the resistors in parallel and the necessary conditions for the current draw from the supply.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the need for the original poster to show their work before receiving further help. Some participants express concerns about the nature of the questions and the potential for short-circuiting the power supply when the switch is closed.

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Participants note that the resistors are identical and that the ammeter and cell have negligible resistance. There is also a mention of the requirement for the original poster to adhere to forum rules by showing their own work before receiving assistance.

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Hi All,

I have attached a bmp file indicating the diagram. Now, in the diagram shown alongside the cell and the ammeter both have negligible resistance.The resisters are identical with switch K open. the ameter reads 0.6 A . what will be the ammeter reading when the switch is closed?

Few more questions...

Q1 . Two resistance when connected in parellal give resultent value of 2 ohm. calculate the value of each resistance .

Q2 A resister a resistance of 176 ohm. how many of these resisters should be connected in parellal so that their combination draws a current of 5 ampers from a 220 volt supply line.

hare krishna
Alok
 

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Welcome to the PF, AlokBehria. Homework and coursework questions should go here in the Homework Help forums, and not in the general technical forums. Also, we require that you show us the relevant equations and show us some of your own work, before we can begin to give you tutorial help and advice.

So, how would you approach these questions? Also, I think there is something wrong with the questions. When you close switch K, where will the smoke and fire be seen first?
 
I will wait for the file to load, but for now I'll help you with your other 2 questions.

Q1.

The total resistance of parallel resistors is:

[tex]R_T = \frac{1}{R_1} + \frac{1}{R_2} + ... + \frac{1}{R_n}[/tex]

A shortcut to finding the total resistance of 2 parallel resistors is:

[tex]R_T = \frac{R_1R_2}{R_1 + R_2}[/tex]

Q2.

Using the first equation above and Ohm's Law, you have:

[tex]V = I R_T[/tex]

[tex]V = I (\frac{1}{R_1} + \frac{1}{R_2} + ... + \frac{1}{R_n})[/tex]

Now, you know your voltage and your current, so you can find [tex]R_T[/tex]. Once you have [tex]R_T[/tex] and you know what value the resistors need to be, you can find how many resistors you need.
 
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Thanks for the help, but I am not able to solve the question as per your suggestion, so would you elaborate more on both the question?

hare krishna
Alok
 
AlokBehria said:
Thanks for the help, but I am not able to solve the question as per your suggestion, so would you elaborate more on both the question?

hare krishna
Alok

Which question can't you solve? 1 or 2?
 
Q2, please help me.
 
EugP gave you all the help you need in post #3. Stop trying to have us solve the question for you -- that's not how the PF works. You are *required* to show us your own work in order for us to help you. Please show us some of your work on these questions.
 
Alright this should be more than enough information to help you solve the problem.

Like I said before:

<< Sorry, I have to delete this as too complete of an answer. Wait for more work by the OP. -berkeman- >>
 
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we used V=IR_t

[tex]220 =5 (\frac{1}{R_1} + \frac{1}{R_2} + ... + \frac{1}{R_n})[/tex]

Now if we solve the equestion, we diden't find the answer.
 
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Remember, that question says that all the resistors are equal and in parallel. What happens to the total resistance when you put two equal-value resistors in parallel? What about 3 in parallel? What about N in parallel?
 
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EugP said:
Alright this should be more than enough information to help you solve the problem.

Like I said before:

<< Sorry, I have to delete this as too complete of an answer. Wait for more work by the OP. -berkeman- >>

No you're right I got a little carried away. Won't happen again.

AlokBehria, why don't you post any work you've done so far, with as many descriptions as possible of your thought process, so we could GUIDE you to how to solve the problem.
 
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have you one through the Q2 ? If yes, then where wud you find individual [tex]R_1[/tex] , [tex]R_2[/tex] and Rn
 
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AlokBehria said:
have you one through the Q2 ? If yes, then where wud you find individual [tex]R_1[/tex] , [tex]R_2[/tex] and Rn

I'm sorry but I don't understand your question.
 
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I woluld again repeat my question.

A resister has a resistance of 176 ohm. how many of these resisters should be connected in parellal so that their combination draws a current of 5 ampers from a 220 volt supply line

One more request, if you can open up that attached file..

Now, the question is ..

In the diagram given in the file, the cell and the ammeter both have negilagable resistance . the resistors are identical with the switch K open,the ammeter reads 0.6 amp. what will be the ammeter reading when the switch is closed. The answer shows the current in ammeter is 0.9 amp.

hare krishna
Alok
 
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Post your work so we can see how far you've gotten.
 
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ammeter reading

when three resistors with identical length connected with switch k open,the ameter reads 0.6 amp. reading
what will be the ammeter reading while the switch is closed.
it is noted that the cell and the ammiter both have negligiable resistance
 
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EUGP, if you can direct me a link so that I can go through the manuals to solve my problem.

hare krishna
Alok
 
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AlokBehria said:
EUGP, if you can direct me a link so that I can go through the manuals to solve my problem.

hare krishna
Alok

What manuals? I don't understand what you want, I gave you all the information you need. I'm not going to give you the answer.
 
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When the switch is closed the resistance in the circuit becomes zero, that is the power supply is shorted out. So it is actually not possible to say what the reading will be - each power supply will respond differently by tying to send the maximum possible current through the wire that is shorting it out.

As far as the parallel combination of similar resistors goes - note that their total resistance needs to be 220/5 ohm.

http://www.circuit-magic.com/series_parallel.htm

http://www.physics.uoguelph.ca/tutorials/ohm/index.html
 
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andrevdh said:
When the switch is closed the resistance in the circuit becomes zero, that is the power supply is shorted out. So it is actually not possible to say what the reading will be - each power supply will respond differently by tying to send the maximum possible current through the wire that is shorting it out.

That would be the smoke that I was alluding to :eek:
 

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