What Would Happen if Earth and a Black Hole Interacted?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the hypothetical scenario of the solar system being absorbed by a black hole, focusing on the implications for Earth and its inhabitants. Participants consider various aspects such as gravitational effects, tidal forces, and the experience of spaghettification, while emphasizing the speculative nature of the inquiry.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether people on Earth would notice any difference if the entire solar system were absorbed by a black hole simultaneously, considering the relative distances between celestial bodies would remain constant.
  • Another participant describes the tidal forces near a black hole's event horizon, mentioning the concept of 'spaghettification' and suggesting that humans would certainly notice being plunged into a black hole.
  • Some participants discuss the timeline of discomfort experienced when approaching a black hole, with one suggesting that about 1/3 of a second elapses between initial discomfort and hitting the singularity, independent of the black hole's size.
  • There is a debate about the magnitude of tidal forces, with one participant arguing that tidal effects may be lower than those found at Earth's surface for black holes with sufficient mass.
  • Questions arise regarding the nature of spaghettification and the experience of discomfort, with participants attempting to clarify the mechanics involved in the stretching and crushing effects as one approaches the singularity.
  • One participant proposes a rough calculation indicating that a black hole with a mass greater than about 50,000 solar masses would lead to discomfort being felt inside the horizon.
  • Another participant suggests that a black hole with around 50,000,000 solar masses could create tidal forces comparable to Earth's surface, allowing for a longer duration of experience inside the black hole.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the effects of tidal forces and the experience of spaghettification, with no consensus reached on the specifics of these phenomena or the implications of entering a black hole.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the exact conditions and experiences related to entering a black hole, including the timing of discomfort and the nature of tidal forces, which depend on the mass of the black hole.

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What would happen if the whole solar system were to be absorbed by a nearby black hole in an instant? would people on Earth realize anything different, because the relative distances between all the celestial bodies would remain constant because it was all absorbed at the same time?

black holes are dense enough to absorb light. so would the light coming from the sun cease to reach the earth? would gravity be the same between the organisms on the surface of the Earth and the earth? would the Earth still be going around the sun in the same manner?

this is just for fun. it's not schoolwork. just general curiosity.
 
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Black holes produce enormous tidal forces as you get near to the event horizon. A tidal force is something that acts differently on different parts of a body, in the case of a black hole say you approached feet first, your feet would be accelerated towards the centre more rapidly than your head with unpleasant consequences! I think it was Steven Hawking who termed the phrase 'spaghettification' to describe this process!

So in a word, yes we would certainly notice if we were plunged into a black hole!
 
The good news is we would know the black hole was coming for years before it ate the solar system. The bad news is we would also know there is nothing we could do about it.
 
Wallace said:
Black holes produce enormous tidal forces as you get near to the event horizon.
Not necessarily enormous: depending on the mass of the black hole, the tidal effects at the horizon may become lower than those found at Earth's surface.
 
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Wallace said:
So in a word, yes we would certainly notice if we were plunged into a black hole!

Maybe not, and if we do notice, it won't be for long!

A rough calculation gives that about 1/3 of a second elapses between when discomfort is first felt and when the singularity is hit. This time is independent of the size of the black hole.

xantox said:
Not necessarily enormous: depending on the mass of the black hole, the tidal effects at the horizon may become lower than those found at Earth's surface.

Quantification of this: If the mass of a black is greater than about 50,000 solar masses, then discomfort is first felt inside the horizon, not at the horizon or outside the horizon.

I haven't run the numbers for when tidal forces at the horizon equal tidal forces at the Earth's surface, but this happens for a black hole that has substantially more mass than 50,000 solar masses.
 
Does that 1/3 of a second mean the time between when we initially enter the black hole and when we feel the "spaghettification"? I'm assuming that's when you get stretched out to be taller than you should be (if you entered feet or head first). I'm also assuming it's like taking a picture of a human and simply extending it in one direction. Is it like that or am I completely off?
 
pchalla90 said:
Does that 1/3 of a second mean the time between when we initially enter the black hole and when we feel the "spaghettification"? I'm assuming that's when you get stretched out to be taller than you should be (if you entered feet or head first). I'm also assuming it's like taking a picture of a human and simply extending it in one direction. Is it like that or am I completely off?

It's the time between it starts hurting (tidal acceleration exceeding 1G), and the time the singularity is hit. There is both stretching in the z direction, and crushing in the x and y directions.
 
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Singularity? Is that when the body assumes its normal shape again? If that's true then there's 1/3 of a second of discomfort and then it's back to normal?
 
pchalla90 said:
Singularity? Is that when the body assumes its normal shape again? If that's true then there's 1/3 of a second of discomfort and then it's back to normal?

The singularity is the "center" of the black hole, which we cannot say much about. There's 1/3 second of both disconfort and complete destruction, and then we don't know.
 
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ah. what a pleasant ending.

thanks to all who replied.
 
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George Jones said:
I haven't run the numbers for when tidal forces at the horizon equal tidal forces at the Earth's surface, but this happens for a black hole that has substantially more mass than 50,000 solar masses.

I got around 50,000,000 solar masses to match a free fall tidal gradient on a human body at Earth's surface. This should allow for about 8 minutes of comfortable vacations inside the black hole.
 
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