What Would Happen if Two Black Holes Got Too Close?

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The discussion revolves around the scenario of two black holes coming close together and the implications of their potential merger. Participants explore various aspects of black hole mergers, including gravitational waves, time dilation effects, and observational perspectives, without reaching a consensus on all points.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that two black holes would merge and form a new black hole with mass approximately equal to the sum of the original black holes' masses.
  • Others mention that the merger of compact objects like black holes and neutron stars is linked to the generation of gravitational waves, suggesting ongoing research into detecting these waves.
  • One participant raises a question about the nature of time at the event horizon, wondering how objects can merge if time appears to "stop" for an outside observer.
  • Another participant clarifies that conventional theory suggests an infalling observer appears to freeze at the event horizon, but black hole event horizons could merge in a way that is measurable from an external perspective.
  • Some express uncertainty about the appearance of objects as they approach the event horizon, questioning whether they would be stretched or disintegrated before crossing it.
  • Participants discuss the effects of extreme time dilation and redshift on objects near a black hole, noting that some matter is ejected back into space rather than being fully consumed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic premise that black holes can merge and produce gravitational waves, but there are multiple competing views regarding the implications of time dilation and the observable effects of objects nearing the event horizon. The discussion remains unresolved on several nuanced points.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the behavior of matter at the event horizon, the definitions of time from different perspectives, and the specifics of gravitational wave detection capabilities.

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Hi everyone. Does anyone know what would happen if two black holes got too close toghether? Would the merge and become a supermassive black hole?
 
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They would merge and form a black hole with mass roughly equal to the sum of the masses of the original black holes.
 
nicksauce said:
They would merge and form a black hole with mass roughly equal to the sum of the masses of the original black holes.

You may have seen research papers based on computer simulations of such mergers:
BH+BH, or BH+Neutron Star,...

The two compact objects, while spiraling in close and then mutually swallowing each other, cause a fair amount of gravitational wave ripple. The idea of the research is to figure out what wave patterns to look for with gravitational wave detectors. Address questions like: Are the detectors being built going to be sensitive enough to "see" events like the merger of two compact objects?

It might be interesting to see some of the graphic output. I remember some from a few years back, but don't have any links handy.
 
The merging of compact bodies i.e. neutron stars or black holes is a popular hypothesis as to the source of short, hard gamma ray bursts.
 
marcus said:
You may have seen research papers based on computer simulations of such mergers:
BH+BH, or BH+Neutron Star,...

The two compact objects, while spiraling in close and then mutually swallowing each other, cause a fair amount of gravitational wave ripple. The idea of the research is to figure out what wave patterns to look for with gravitational wave detectors. Address questions like: Are the detectors being built going to be sensitive enough to "see" events like the merger of two compact objects?

It might be interesting to see some of the graphic output. I remember some from a few years back, but don't have any links handy.

This is, in fact, what I'm starting to do research in in Graduate school now.

There are a few pictures/movies here, for example, http://www.cita.utoronto.ca/~pfeiffer/
 
nicksauce said:
This is, in fact, what I'm starting to do research in in Graduate school now.

There are a few pictures/movies here, for example, http://www.cita.utoronto.ca/~pfeiffer/

Hey, I work on this stuff!
 
I've wondered, doesn't time "stop" (from an outside observer's point of view) at the event horizon of a BH? So how could anything fall into a BH or merge with one?
 
Matterwave said:
I've wondered, doesn't time "stop" (from an outside observer's point of view) at the event horizon of a BH? So how could anything fall into a BH or merge with one?
Good point. Conventional theory suggests an outside observer sees an infalling observer 'freeze' at the event horizon. Black hole event horizons could, however, merge in time as measured by an outside observer.
 
Chronos said:
Good point. Conventional theory suggests an outside observer sees an infalling observer 'freeze' at the event horizon. Black hole event horizons could, however, merge in time as measured by an outside observer.

Please forgive my ignorance here, but are you saying that an outside observer would note that an object crossing an event horizon would appear frozen there forever? And not, as Hollywood would have us believe, stretched into oblivion?
Of course, I'm not sure what an object would look like as it approached an event horizon, I'd assume it'd be disintegrated long before it actually crossed it.
 
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Objects approaching the event horizon of a black hole suffer from extreme time dilation and redshift from the perspective of a stationary external observer. Fortunately, a portion of all matter falling into a black hole is merely ripped to shreds and jetted back into space.
 
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Chronos said:
Objects approaching the event horizon of a black hole suffer from extreme time dilation and redshift from the perspective of a stationary external observer. Fortunately, a portion of all matter falling into a black hole is merely ripped to shreds and jetted back into space.

So, by "extreme" I guess you mean on the order of years?
I'm just trying to get a grasp on how this phenomena would appear to an outside observer.
I have a pretty good understanding of what happens to matter that has the misfortune to get sucked into a black hole, but I never thought about the relativistic effects that would be observed by a third party.
Thanks
 

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