What would happen to the Moon if (at full moon) the Earth disappeared?

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The discussion centers on the hypothetical scenario of the Earth disappearing at the moment of a full moon and its implications for the Moon's subsequent motion. Participants explore the Moon's orbital dynamics, potential changes in its trajectory, and the effects of gravitational interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Moon would continue to orbit the Sun after the Earth disappears, as the center of mass of the Earth-Moon system orbits the Sun.
  • Others argue that the Moon's orbit would change, potentially becoming more eccentric and varying in average distance from the Sun.
  • There is a question about whether the Moon would become tidally locked with the Sun, with some suggesting that the Moon's rotation period would remain unchanged for a long time.
  • One participant describes the gravitational relationship between the Earth and Moon, noting that the Moon's trajectory would not fly directly away from the Earth but would continue in a path parallel to its original orbit around the Sun.
  • Another participant discusses the effects of the timing of Earth's disappearance (full moon vs. half moon) on the Moon's orbital dynamics, suggesting that the disturbance would not be significantly greater in one case compared to the other.
  • Some participants provide calculations regarding the speeds of the Moon and Earth, indicating that the Moon would not crash into the Sun or fly off into space under the given conditions.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the Moon's orbit post-Earth disappearance, with some suggesting it would become elliptical and others agreeing on the implications of the Moon's speed relative to the Earth's orbit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the Moon's future trajectory and the effects of gravitational forces, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved on several key points.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various assumptions about the Moon's speed, orbital characteristics, and the nature of gravitational interactions, which may not be fully defined or agreed upon.

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Crash into the Sun, orbit the Sun, or fly off into space?
 
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The centre of mass of the Earth and the Moon now orbits the Sun. If the Earth disappeared, the Moon would continue to orbit the Sun. If the Earth diasappeared there could be no full moon because that is what we see from Earth and relates to the moon's orbit about the Earth relative to the direction to the Sun.
 
The speed of the moon around the sun varies by a few percent through its orbit, so while it will continue to orbit the sun, the eccentricity of the orbit will be different (likely larger) and the average distance will change slightly.
 
Would the Moon then be tidally locked with the Sun?
 
lifeonmercury said:
Would the Moon then be tidally locked with the Sun?
I hope not. The angular momentum of the Moon about it's axis will not change suddenly. It would take a very, very long time for a solid moon to tidally lock to the Sun. So the length of a day on the Moon would remain at about 29½ days as it is now.
 
The gravitational attraction between the Earth and Moon keeps them together in the same orbit about the Sun. Up until the instant that the Earth disappears, gravity has kept the Moon orbiting the Moon-Earth barycentre.

The gravitational “tension” between the Moon and Earth act at 90° to the Moon's orbit and operate to pull the Moon from a straight line passing the Earth, into an orbit about the Earth.

But, when there is a full moon, the Moon is on the opposite side of the Earth from the Sun, so it is then traveling close to parallel with the Earth's orbit around the Sun.

Removing the Earth, (at full Moon), would not let the Moon fly directly away from where the Earth was, but the Moon would continue to travel parallel with it's original orbit about the Sun.

If instead, the Earth disappeared when there was a half moon, it would introduce a greater disturbance to the orbit of the Moon about the Sun.
 
Baluncore said:
If instead, the Earth disappeared when there was a half moon, it would introduce a greater disturbance to the orbit of the Moon about the Sun.
Not really greater.
The speed of Moon relative to Earth is about 1 km/s.
The speed of Earth relative to Sun is about 30 km/s.
In order for Moon to crash into Sun, Moon would have to be propelled at 30 km/s, in a specific direction.
In order for Moon to fly off into space, Moon would have to be propelled at at least 12 km/s.
Since the orbital speed of Moon is about 1 km/s, Moon would continue to orbit Sun.
Treating Earth's orbit as exact circle - if Earth vanished at full moon, then Moon would be traveling faster than Earth, and therefore would be at an elliptical orbit bigger than Earth orbit, whose perihelion touches Earth orbit.
If Earth vanished at new moon, moon would be traveling slower than Earth, and therefore would be at an elliptical orbit smaller than Earth orbit, whose aphelion touches Earth orbit.
If Earth vanished at half moon, moon would be traveling across Earth orbit, and therefore would be at an elliptical orbit that intersects Earth orbit.
 
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I agree, it would not make much difference. From your figures when the moon is furthest from the Sun (at full moon) it would be traveling at about 31 km/s at a greater radius from the Sun, but at new moon, speed would be 29 km/s on a shorter radius from the Sun. Since orbital velocity is not proportional to r, but to √(1/r), I agree. If the orbits were circular at the start of the experiment, then after the deletion of Mother Earth, the Moon's orbit would be elliptical about the Sun.
 

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