What's the importance of the squared of the angular momentum?

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The discussion revolves around the significance of the squared angular momentum operator, J^2, in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to its eigenstates and eigenvalues compared to the angular momentum vector J. Participants explore the reasons for using J^2 and its implications in quantum state analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why the eigenstates and eigenvalues of J^2 are considered, suggesting that J itself could be used.
  • It is noted that J is not a scalar, which raises the question of whether the scalar nature of J^2 is the only reason for its use.
  • One participant explains that the different components of J do not commute, which complicates the existence of a complete set of eigenstates for both J^2 and J.
  • Another participant mentions that J^2 is easier to work with because it is defined as the sum of the squares of its components, suggesting that using J as the magnitude of total angular momentum might be more awkward.
  • There is a clarification that J^2 can be diagonalized, while J would yield eigenvalues that are the square roots of those from J^2, indicating a preference for convenience and convention in using J^2.
  • Participants emphasize the distinction between J and the vector representation of angular momentum, denoted as \vec J.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and advantages of using J^2 over J, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of angular momentum operators and their eigenstates, as well as the implications of non-commuting components, which are not fully resolved.

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In quantum mechanics one sees what J^2 can offer but why do we even consider looking at the eigenstates and eigenvalues of J^2 and a component of J, say J_z? Why don't we just use J?
 
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J is not a scalar.
 
So the only reason we use J^2 is because it's a scalar?
 
annaphys said:
why do we even consider looking at the eigenstates and eigenvalues of J^2 and a component of J, say J_z? Why don't we just use J?

Because the different components of ##J## don't commute. So there is no set of states that is a complete set of eigenstates for both ##J^2## and ##J##. The best we can do is to find a complete set of eigenstates for both ##J^2## and one of the three components of ##J##, usually defined to be ##J_z## (i.e., we define our ##z## axis to point along this component of ##J##).
 
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annaphys said:
So the only reason we use J^2 is because it's a scalar?
##J^2## is easier to work with because it's defined as ##J^2 = J_x^2 + J_y^2 + J_z^2##. You could try to work with ##J = \sqrt{J^2}## as the magnitude of total AM, but I suspect it would be more awkward to work with.

As ##J^2## can be diagonalised, then ##J## would have the square roots of all the diagonal entries. I think everything would work out, except that the eigenvalues of ##J## would be the square roots of the ones you get using ##J^2##. I'd say it's more convenience and convention.

Note that ##J## is not to be confused with ##\vec J = (J_x, J_y, J_z)##.
 
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