What's the Probability of Finding Cake in the Last Box?

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The discussion revolves around the probability of finding cake in a box after opening several empty boxes. Participants explore different interpretations of the problem, focusing on the implications of prior box openings and the probability associated with the last box.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the probability of finding cake in the fifth box after opening four empty boxes is 1, based on the reasoning that the cake must be in the last box if all previous boxes were empty.
  • Others argue that the question can be interpreted in multiple ways, leading to different answers regarding the probability of finding cake.
  • A participant suggests that the probability of not finding cake in the first four boxes can be calculated, leading to a probability of 1/5 for the cake being in the last box, based on prior assumptions.
  • There is a mention of the question being poorly worded, which contributes to the confusion surrounding the problem.
  • Some participants express frustration with the ambiguity of the problem and its implications for determining the probability.

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Participants do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the problem and the corresponding probabilities.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the problem's wording and the assumptions made by participants, which affect their interpretations and calculations.

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you open box after box until you get the cake.
what's the probability that after opening 4 empty boxes, you open the last box with cake?

i know that the probability of finding cake in the first box is 1/5.
i think for the 5th box you multiply: (1/5)(1/4)(1/3)(1/2) to get the answer. is this right?
 
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GlobalDuty said:
i know that the probability of finding cake in the first box is 1/5.

But you don't want the probability of cake, you want the probability of no cake.

Depending on how you interpret the question there are two (or more?) possible answers.
 
GlobalDuty said:
you open box after box until you get the cake.
what's the probability that after opening 4 empty boxes, you open the last box with cake?

i know that the probability of finding cake in the first box is 1/5.
i think for the 5th box you multiply: (1/5)(1/4)(1/3)(1/2) to get the answer. is this right?
This looks like a trick question. Simply put, if you have already opened 4 boxes and no cake, then the fifth box MUST have the cake (unless someone was fooling around and there was no cake at all). Therefore the probability is 1.
 
CRGreathouse said:
Depending on how you interpret the question there are two (or more?) possible answers.

yeah, this is bothering me

mathman said:
This looks like a trick question. Simply put, if you have already opened 4 boxes and no cake, then the fifth box MUST have the cake (unless someone was fooling around and there was no cake at all). Therefore the probability is 1.

the wording is bad, but its not a trick question. i guess better wording would be:
what's the probability that you open all the boxes and then find cake in the last one?
 
GlobalDuty said:
yeah, this is bothering me

If we assume what you write in the following paragraph, there is no ambiguity.
 
Here is the easy way to do it: by deciding which box to open first, which second, etc., you are specifying which box you will open last. Since the cake is equally likely to be in any of the 5 boxes, the probability that the cake is in that particular box is 1/5.


If you are not convinced that that answers the question you posed, then you can do it the hard way: the probability of NOT finding the cake in the first box is 4/5, the probability of NOT finding the cake in the second box (given that it was not in the first box) is 3/4, the probability of NOT finding the cake in the third box (given that it was not in the first or second boxes) is 2/3, and the probability of NOT finding the cake in the second box (given that it was not in the first, second, or third boxes) is 1/2.

The probability that the cake is in the fifth box is exactly the probability that it is NOT in the first box and NOT in the second box and NOT in the third box and NOT in the fourth box: (4/5)(3/4)(2/3)(1/2)= 1/5.

That, of course, is just the probability that it was in that particular box a-priori.
 
o ok, thanks for the responses.
the problem was bad to begin with.
 

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