What's Wrong with My Approach to This Integral?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the integral $$\int_0^{\infty} \frac{1}{x}\left(\frac{1}{1+e^x}-\frac{1}{1+e^{2x}}\right)\,dx$$. Participants explore various approaches to solve this integral, including series expansions and the use of special functions, while addressing potential issues with convergence and the validity of interchanging summation and integration.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a series expansion for $$\frac{1}{1+e^x}$$ and $$\frac{1}{1+e^{2x}}$$, leading to a reformulation of the integral in terms of a series.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of the series expansion, arguing that it does not converge in the specified interval of integration.
  • A different approach is suggested using the eta function and its relationship to the gamma function, leading to a limit evaluation that yields a result involving $$\ln(2)$$.
  • Some participants discuss the potential issues with interchanging the order of integration and summation, citing Fubini's theorem and providing examples of when such interchanges may not hold.
  • There is a suggestion that differentiation under the integral sign might provide an alternative method to solve the integral, although it is noted that this may lead to similar conclusions as previous methods.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the justification for interchanging summation and integration, particularly at the limit as $$x$$ approaches zero.
  • One participant provides a detailed evaluation of the integral using a double integral approach, confirming that the result is indeed $$\ln(2)$$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the series expansions or the method of interchanging summation and integration. Multiple competing views remain regarding the approaches to solve the integral and the conditions under which they are valid.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved questions about the convergence of series and integrals, the conditions for applying Fubini's theorem, and the assumptions made in various approaches. The discussion highlights the complexity of evaluating the integral and the nuances involved in the mathematical reasoning.

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Problem:
$$\int_0^{\infty} \frac{1}{x}\left(\frac{1}{1+e^x}-\frac{1}{1+e^{2x}}\right)\,dx$$

Attempt:
I use the following two series expansions:
$$\frac{1}{1+e^x}=\frac{e^{-x}}{1+e^{-x}}=e^{-x}\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k e^{-kx}=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k e^{-(k+1)x}$$
$$\frac{1}{1+e^{2x}}=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k e^{-2x(k+1)}$$
Hence, the given definite integral can be written as:
$$\int_0^{\infty} \frac{1}{x}\left(\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k e^{-x(k+1)}-\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k e^{-2x(k+1)}\right)\,dx$$
$$=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k\int_0^{\infty} \frac{e^{-x(k+1)}-e^{-2x(k+1)}}{x}\,dx$$
Use the substitution, $x(k+1)=t$ to get the following definite integral:
$$=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k \int_0^{\infty} \frac{e^{-t}-e^{-2t}}{t}\,dt$$
$$=\ln 2 \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k$$
The sum $\displaystyle \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k$ is divergent but W|A gives a nice answer to the above definite integral. What's wrong with my approach?

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Pranav said:
$$\frac{1}{1+e^{2x}}=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k e^{-2x(k+1)}$$

This is not a valid series expansion in the specified interval since we require that $|e^{2x}| \leq 1$ which is not true in $$(0, \infty ) $$
 
I'll provide you with another way to solve the problem

To solve $I$ let

$$I(s)=\int^\infty_0\frac{x^{s-1}}{1+e^x}\,dx-\frac{1}{2^s}\int^\infty_0\frac{x^{s-1}}
{1+e^{x}}\,dx$$

Notice that the eta function is defined as $\eta(s)$ where

$$\eta(s)\Gamma(s)=\int^\infty_0\frac{x^{s-1}}{e^x+1}\,dx$$

$$I(s)=\Gamma(s)\eta(s)-\frac{\Gamma(s)\eta(s)}{2^s}=\left( 1-\frac{1}{2^s}\right)\eta(s)\Gamma(s)$$

Now use that

$$\eta(s)=(1-2^{1-s})\zeta(s)$$

$$I=\lim_{s\to 0}I(s)=\lim_{s \to 0}\frac{(1-2^{1-s})\left( 1-\frac{1}{2^s}\right)\zeta(s)}{s}=\frac{1}{2}\lim_{s \to 0}\frac{1-2^{-s}}{s}=\frac{\ln(2)}{2}$$

where we use that $\zeta(0)=\frac{-1}{2}$ and $\Gamma(s+1)=s\Gamma(s)$

To know more about zeta, gamma and eta look at my integration lessons.
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
This is not a valid series expansion in the specified interval since we require that $|e^{2x}| \leq 1$ which is not true in $$(0, \infty ) $$

I don't see anything wrong with the series expansion.
$$\frac{1}{1+e^{2x}}=\frac{e^{-2x}}{1+e^{-2x}}=e^{-2x}\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^ke^{-2kx}=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}(-1)^k e^{-2x(k+1)}$$
What is wrong with above?
 
Pranav said:
I don't see anything wrong with the series expansion.
$$\frac{1}{1+e^{2x}}=\frac{e^{-2x}}{1+e^{-2x}}=e^{-2x}\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^ke^{-2kx}=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}(-1)^k e^{-2x(k+1)}$$
What is wrong with above?

Sorry, I missed that step.

The problem is with interchanging the integral with sum which doesn't always hold. Consider the following

$$\int^\infty_0\frac{\sin(x)}{x} \, dx \neq \sum_{n\geq 0}\frac{(-1)^n}{(2n+1)!} \int ^\infty_0x^{2n+1}\,dx$$

But the integral on the right diverges so we cannot always interchange.
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
The problem is with interchanging the integral with sum which doesn't always hold. Consider the following

$$\int^\infty_0\frac{\sin(x)}{x} \, dx \neq \sum_{n\geq 0}\frac{(-1)^n}{(2n+1)!} \int ^\infty_0x^{2n+1}\,dx$$

But the integral on the right diverges so we cannot always interchange.

That makes sense, thank you! :)

But now, how to solve the problem? Is there no other way to solve it besides the way you have shown?

BTW, using this gives the right answer.
 
Maybe there is a way using differentiation under the integral sign. But believe it or not the idea will be the same as the answer above but more elementary and using less (weird) symbols.
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
Maybe there is a way using differentiation under the integral sign. But believe it or not the idea will be the same as the answer above but more elementary and using less (weird) symbols.

Thanks ZaidAlyafey for all the help. :)
 
My first thought was to integrate on $[b, \infty)$ and then take the limit at the very end.

But even that doesn't seem to be justified by Fubini's theorem.

criterion for interchanging summation and integration | planetmath.org


EDIT: On second thought, it does seem justified.$ \displaystyle |(-1)^{k} \frac{e^{-x(k+1)}}{x}| \le \frac{e^{-x(k+1)}}{x} $

$\displaystyle \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{e^{-x(k+1)}}{x} < \infty$

and $ \displaystyle\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \int_{b}^{\infty}\frac{e^{-x(k+1)}}{x} \ dx < \infty$ (at least according to Maple)
 
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Random Variable said:
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EDIT: On second thought, it does seem justified according to the theorem.

$ \displaystyle |(-1)^{k} \frac{e^{-x(k+1)}}{x}| \le \frac{e^{-x(k+1)}}{x} $

$\displaystyle \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{e^{-x(k+1)}}{x} < \infty$

and $ \displaystyle\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \int_{b}^{\infty}\frac{e^{-x(k+1)}}{x} \ dx < \infty$

I have no idea what is going on here, I haven't learned this yet. Maybe I can return to this thread someday when I learn this stuff. :)

Thanks Random Variable!
 
  • #11
Pranav

I'm looking for justification to switch the order of integration and summation.

According to Fubini's theorem, the problem seems to be $x=0$.

To get around that you could seemingly evaluate

$$ \lim_{b \to 0^{+}}\int_b^{\infty} \frac{1}{x}\left(\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k e^{-x(k+1)}-\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k e^{-2x(k+1)}\right)\,dx$$

and take the limit at the very end.

But that wouldn't be fun.
 
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And the convergence of $

\displaystyle\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \int_{b}^{\infty}\frac{e^{-x(k+1)}}{x} \ dx $ could be shown using the asymptotic expansion of the incomplete gamma function $\Gamma(0,x)$ at infinity.OK. I'm done. Sorry about all the edits. (Sadface)
 
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Random Variable said:
Accorinding to Fubini's theorem, the problem seems to be $x=0$.
I don't know about Fubini's theorem.
To get around that you could seemingly evaluate

$$ \lim_{b \to 0^{+}}\int_b^{\infty} \frac{1}{x}\left(\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k e^{-x(k+1)}-\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k e^{-2x(k+1)}\right)\,dx$$
Can I interchange the summation and the integral? If so, I get the following definite integral (I am not writing the summation symbol):

$$\int_{b(k+1)}^{\infty} \frac{e^{-t}-e^{-2t}}{t}\,dt$$

How do I evaluate this? :confused:

Random Variable said:
And the convergence of $

\displaystyle\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \int_{b}^{\infty}\frac{e^{-x(k+1)}}{x} \ dx $ could be shown using the asymptotic expansion of the incomplete gamma function $\Gamma(0,x)$ at infinity.
Okay, I give up. :p
 
  • #14
Yes, you can interchange. But don't try to do it this way. I was just showing what you would have to do in theory.
 
  • #15
Pranav said:
$$=\sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k \int_0^{\infty} \frac{e^{-t}-e^{-2t}}{t}\,dt$$
$$=\ln 2 \sum_{k=0}^{\infty} (-1)^k$$

How did you find this?
$$\int_0^{\infty} \frac{e^{-t}-e^{-2t}}{t}\,dt = \ln 2$$
 
  • #16
$ \displaystyle\int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{e^{-x}-e^{-2x}}{x} \ dx = \int_{0}^{\infty}\int_{1}^{2} e^{-xt} \ dt \ dx = \int_{1}^{2} \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-tx} \ dx \ dt $

since the integrand is always nonnegative

$ \displaystyle= \int_{1}^{2} \frac{1}{t}\ dt = \ln 2$
 
  • #17
Random Variable said:
$ \displaystyle\int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{e^{-x}-e^{-2x}}{x} \ dx = \int_{0}^{\infty}\int_{1}^{2} e^{-xt} \ dt \ dx = \int_{1}^{2} \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-tx} \ dx \ dt $

since the integrand is always nonnegative

$ \displaystyle= \int_{1}^{2} \frac{1}{t}\ dt = \ln 2$

Nice! :)

Hmm... okay... so I think we have...

\begin{aligned}
I &= \lim_{b \to 0^+} \sum_k (-1)^k \int_1^2 \int_{b(k+1)}^\infty e^{-tx} dx dt \\
&= \lim_{b \to 0^+} \sum_k (-1)^k \int_1^2 \frac{e^{-tb(k+1)}} t dt \\
&= \lim_{b \to 0^+} \int_1^2 \frac 1 t \sum_k (-1)^k e^{-tb(k+1)} dt \\
&= \lim_{b \to 0^+} \int_1^2 \frac 1 t \frac {e^{-tb}}{1 + e^{-tb}} dt \\
&= \int_1^2 \frac 1 t \lim_{b \to 0^+} \frac {e^{-tb}}{1 + e^{-tb}} dt \\
&= \int_1^2 \frac 1 {2t} dt \\
&= \frac 1 2 \ln 2
\end{aligned}
 
  • #18
I like Serena said:
Nice! :)

Hmm... okay... so I think we have...

\begin{aligned}
I &= \lim_{b \to 0^+} \sum_k (-1)^k \int_1^2 \int_{b(k+1)}^\infty e^{-tx} dx dt \\
&= \lim_{b \to 0^+} \sum_k (-1)^k \int_1^2 \frac{e^{-tb(k+1)}} t dt \\
&= \lim_{b \to 0^+} \int_1^2 \frac 1 t \sum_k (-1)^k e^{-tb(k+1)} dt \\
&= \lim_{b \to 0^+} \int_1^2 \frac 1 t \frac {e^{-tb}}{1 + e^{-tb}} dt \\
&= \int_1^2 \frac 1 t \lim_{b \to 0^+} \frac {e^{-tb}}{1 + e^{-tb}} dt \\
&= \int_1^2 \frac 1 {2t} dt \\
&= \frac 1 2 \ln 2
\end{aligned}

Nice. It never crossed my mind to do that.
 
  • #19
I like Serena said:
How did you find this?
$$\int_0^{\infty} \frac{e^{-t}-e^{-2t}}{t}\,dt = \ln 2$$

Random Variable said:
$ \displaystyle\int_{0}^{\infty} \frac{e^{-x}-e^{-2x}}{x} \ dx = \int_{0}^{\infty}\int_{1}^{2} e^{-xt} \ dt \ dx = \int_{1}^{2} \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-tx} \ dx \ dt $

since the integrand is always nonnegative

$ \displaystyle= \int_{1}^{2} \frac{1}{t}\ dt = \ln 2$

I solved it by using differentiation under the integral sign.
$$I(a)=\int_0^{\infty} \frac{e^{-x}-e^{-ax}}{x}\,dx$$
$$\Rightarrow I'(a)=\int_0^{\infty} e^{-ax}\,dx$$
$$\Rightarrow I'(a)=\frac{1}{a} \Rightarrow I(a)=\ln a +C$$
Since I(1)=0, C=0, hence
$$\Rightarrow I(a)=\ln a \Rightarrow I(2)=\ln 2$$

I like Serena said:
Nice! :)

Hmm... okay... so I think we have...

\begin{aligned}
I &= \lim_{b \to 0^+} \sum_k (-1)^k \int_1^2 \int_{b(k+1)}^\infty e^{-tx} dx dt \\
&= \lim_{b \to 0^+} \sum_k (-1)^k \int_1^2 \frac{e^{-tb(k+1)}} t dt \\
&= \lim_{b \to 0^+} \int_1^2 \frac 1 t \sum_k (-1)^k e^{-tb(k+1)} dt \\
&= \lim_{b \to 0^+} \int_1^2 \frac 1 t \frac {e^{-tb}}{1 + e^{-tb}} dt \\
&= \int_1^2 \frac 1 t \lim_{b \to 0^+} \frac {e^{-tb}}{1 + e^{-tb}} dt \\
&= \int_1^2 \frac 1 {2t} dt \\
&= \frac 1 2 \ln 2
\end{aligned}

Great! Thanks a lot ILS! :) (Bow)
 

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