News What's your opinion about: the withdrawl of american troops from Iraq?

[Smurf]

Bilal,

Those arrayed against 'us' in Iraq are not just attacking 'us.' They are attacking Iraqi citizens. They are killing innocents and telling the world, 'if you don't give us what we want, we will continue to kill innocents, so ***** up.'

Given the leverage that tactic provides, it is an excceedingly small fringe of **** fighters that are generating the headlines.

Now, you, I, each of us, have to examine as best we can the motivations and tactics of those involved in this struggle and choose.

This would be the infalliable "They're worse so we're OK" argument.

Too bad it's not true.

 

[Smurf]

The whole fuss about killing civilians is so ignorant. You're looking at this in a Western Army vs Army context but applying it to people who arn't part of any militarized group.

ci·vil·ian (s-vlyn)
n.
1. A person following the pursuits of civil life, especially one who is not an active member of the military or police.
2. A specialist in Roman or civil law.

They are civilians, these are civilians killing other civilians. They're not another Foreign enemy to deplore, this is in fact a civil war, stop looking at it like Us vs. Them. That's not it, technically you could even call them criminals.

 

[Zlex]

They are civilians, these are civilians killing other civilians. They're not another Foreign enemy to deplore, this is in fact a civil war, stop looking at it like Us vs. Them. That's not it, technically you could even call them criminals.

So, in essence, the lesson we're supposed to learn from all this barely hidden glee is, say some miscreant and a group of his toady thugs wants to take over NYC, Baltimore, Phila, or DC.

All he has to do is, use "guerilla" tactics, and there would be folks shrilly screaming at the top of their lungs(when it is safe to do so)that we should pull out the police, run, hide, cower in the dark, etc.

I get it, the point is clear; when faced with thuggery, run.

That's some better plan. Got anything else?

 

[Smurf]

It's funny how you talk about Iraq and compare it as if it's already the 51st state.

 

[Zlex]

It's funny how you talk about Iraq and compare it as if it's already the 51st state.

Hey, you're the one who compared them to criminals.

NORWICH, Vt. -- A driver accused of running down and killing a Vermont state trooper is now facing murder charges.

Eric Daley, 23, of New Hampshire, was charged with second degree murder at a hearing Monday.

Drug charges were also filed against him.

Daley pleaded not guilty to lesser charges in June.

Police say Daley was running from police when he hit and killed Sgt. Michael Johnson in Norwich, Vt., in June.

Johnson was laying down spike strips on Interstate 91 to stop Daley. Police say Daley then took off and was captured a couple of days later in Pennsylvania.

OK, all you chickenhawk heartless bastards out there still advocating that we send cops out to enforce laws and protect the peace, I want you to look into the eyes of those kids and tell them, "We send folks like your daddy out to die because..."

Well, ****it Smurf you're right; let's bring all the cops safely 'home,' no more flag draped coffins, no more teary holidays. Far be it from me to dip my lame little politico hands into their blood and agony and sorrow to make my cheap little in-ter-net points.

Hey, I'm just getting into the spirit of things here. If cheap, gutless and spineless is the lingua fracta of political debate, I figured I'd better bone up.

Oh, but cops are different, and this was for a really good cause; the guy was speeding. It's not at all like going after patriots in Iraq, who only want to continue their unique Olympic training unimpeded.

 

[Smurf]

Hey, you're the one who compared them to criminals.

The entire point of that post is that Iraq is NOT a western nation, let alone the 51st state and it shouldn't be treated as such, my comment on criminals was just a technicality.

 

[ardian007]

I don't agree with you because...

I disagree, I think there's a strong possibility that Militant groups may ultimatly be ousted by a rising dictator (probably supported by the west).

But the fact is, this is something new for the US, bush is preping the world for his new world order and iraq is the testing ground. I think these next 4 years are going to be very interesting, good or bad, very interesting.

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what the **** are you talking about there are people dying there, because of the personal interest of George W. Bush? who cares of the new world you think that is being prepared, what if you had any relative of yours there and from moment to moment would be risking his/her life? I am not against the Bush politics but, I am against war and the death of innocent people...

 

[ardian007]

I partcially agree with you, Zlex, but let try to be more resonable, Peace is better for everybody ISN'T IT...

 

[ardian007]

Regarding those who think they know what is relative and absolute?

Facts are absolute, if they can be found. "Truth" is in the eye of the believer.

You should know my friend that: everything is relative, except one think, The only think that is absolute is that everything is relative...

 

[ardian007]

America will withdraw from Iraq it is just a matter of Time?

America can never withdraw from Iraq, we're already in it too deep and once we leave, it'll provide for a safe haven for terrorists to terrorize the world.

You should see the prices of petrol and their increas in orde to talk of the side-effects that the war is having on everybodys life...