When can one reduce the structure group?

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The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the structure group of a vector bundle can be reduced, specifically in the context of fiber bundles with structure group G=U(n,n). Participants explore the implications of homotopy types and deformation retracts on the reduction of structure groups.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a theorem stating that the structure group of a fiber bundle with finitely many connected components can be reduced to a maximal compact subgroup of G.
  • Another participant agrees that it is possible to trivialize the bundle locally and use homotopies to reduce the structure group to a subgroup H.
  • A question is raised about whether this reduction holds for fiber bundles in general without restrictions on the number of connected components of G.
  • One participant clarifies that the structure group for general fiber bundles is the diffeomorphism group of the fiber, which is an infinite-dimensional Lie group.
  • Another participant suggests that the reduction may only work if H is a deformation retract of G.
  • It is noted that for the full power of the reduction, one might need to consider Cech cohomology or classifying spaces.
  • A reference to Steenrod's "The Topology of Fibre Bundles" is provided as a resource for further reading.

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Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for reducing the structure group, particularly regarding the role of deformation retracts and the applicability of the theorem to general fiber bundles. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Participants note limitations regarding the definitions and assumptions involved in the discussion, particularly concerning the nature of fiber bundles and the conditions under which homotopies apply.

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I know of the theorem that says that in any fiber bundle with structure group G having finitely many connected component, the structure group can be reduced to a maximal compact subgroup of G.

But here I am reading a thesis in which the author says: "[Since U(n,n)] is homotopic to its maximal compact subgroup U(n) x U(n), the structure group can be reduced to U(n) x U(n)."

The context here is a vector bundle with structure group G=U(n,n).

So I am wondering, is there a result about reduction of str. groups of vector bundles that says something like "if H<G has the same homotopy type as G, then we can reduce to H" ??

Thx
 
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Yes, it's true. Trivialize the bundle locally with associated transition maps to the structure group. Choose a homotopy between each of those maps and a map to H. This yields a bundle homotopy, hence an isomorphism.
 
So it's true for fiber bundles in general, and withouth restriction on the number of connected component to G?

(P.S. wikipedia doesn't seem to contain an article including the words 'bundle homotopy'. Do know of another name for the thing?)
 
I'm not sure what you mean by fibre bundles in general here. For a general fibre bundle, the structure group is the diffeomorphism group of the fiber. This is an infinite dimensional Lie group, but not what you have in mind, I would guess.

A bundle homotopy between two vector bundles E_0 and E_1 is a vector bundle over M x [0,1] such that if one considers the inclusion i_s : M -> M x {s}, the pullback of the bundle satisfies i_s^*(E) =: E(s), with E(0)=E_0 and E(1)=E_1. Homotopic vector bundles are isomorphic.
 
Oh, I see! Thanks. :)
 
I carried out the "details", and it seems to me that this works only if H is a deformation retract of G. But perhaps I did not grasp the full power of your idea?
 
In this context, it only works if H is a deformation retract of G. For the "full power," I think one has to go with either Cech cohomology or classifying spaces. It remains true, however.
 
Ok, interresting. Any reference?
 
Steenrod's "The Topology of Fibre Bundles" is the old standby.
 

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