When do you know you have understood physics?

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The discussion revolves around the philosophical question of understanding in physics, exploring how individuals gauge their comprehension of the subject. Participants share personal insights and criteria for determining when they feel they have truly understood a topic in physics, touching on various aspects of learning and explanation.

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  • Philosophical exploration
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Richard Feynman's quotes, suggesting that the ability to explain a concept to a novice is a key indicator of understanding.
  • One participant expresses that true understanding comes from the ability to recreate and break down a topic in their own words.
  • Another participant highlights the challenge of comprehending the vastness of physics, noting that no one can know all of it.
  • A participant shares a personal experience of understanding through reading and summarizing academic papers, indicating that familiarity with related literature enhances their comprehension.
  • Some participants question the adequacy of the provided options for measuring understanding, suggesting that their own criteria differ significantly.
  • One participant humorously suggests that understanding in physics is more about becoming accustomed to the material rather than achieving complete comprehension.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on what constitutes understanding in physics, with no consensus on a singular measure. Some agree with Feynman's perspective, while others propose alternative criteria or express dissatisfaction with the options presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants' definitions of understanding vary widely, influenced by personal experiences and the complexity of the subject matter. There are unresolved questions regarding how to evaluate understanding effectively.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in physics, as well as individuals engaged in philosophical inquiries about learning and comprehension in scientific fields.

When do you know you have understood a topic in physics?

  • Never

    Votes: 8 57.1%
  • After passing an academic course

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • After receiving an academic qualification

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • After publishing a peer-reviewed article

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • After publishing a monograph

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • After receiving the Nobel prize

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • After teaching it to a child

    Votes: 4 28.6%

  • Total voters
    14
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This is rather a philosophical question, so I will limit it to a topic in physics. I'm interested in knowing your opinion, and perhaps your thoughts on how physics is being developed and progressed today.
 
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I voted with Feynman:
"If you can't explain something to a first year student, then you haven't really understood." ~ Richard P. Feynman
 
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For me (internally), it is when I believe I can walk in front of an audience at any level of sophistication and explain the topic at hand. Pretty close to the Feynman attribute.
I do however know that know nothing.
 
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How much of physics? These days nobody can know all of it.
 
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“What I cannot create, I do not understand.”
-Richard Feynman (one of two quotes scrawled on his blackboard discovered after his death)

He seemed to mean you should be able to break a topic down and "recreate" it from scratch in your own words/understanding and build it back up to explain to someone. You shouldn't just accept someone's explanation or vague gesture at an explanation, but really break it down to a point that you can build it back up in your own logic/words/understanding.
 
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I'm surprised that none of the options was "When your understanding matches experiment"
 
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The options are not enough, unfortunately.

As a student whose interests lie in beams, when I read a paper, I know I have understood it when I read another paper along the same lines, and I find that with my knowledge of the earlier paper, I can understand the other paper. Often, I read a paper twice or thrice, and then make notes from it, which summarizes the main points in the paper, and then I know which parts I have understood, and which I haven't.

In a recent virtual visit to the ATLAS, a question was asked which was not in the realm of the hosts. It was regarding beam operation in the LHC, and I had already read a paper on that specific topic, so I answered it. Well, definitely not in very layman terms, so not akin to explaining it to a child. But afterwards, I had a good feeling that I was able to answer somebody's question.
 
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bobdavis said:
"When your understanding matches experiment"
What experiment(s) have helped you know what you have understood?

Wrichik Basu said:
The options are not enough, unfortunately.
What additional options would you include, and why?
 
ipsky said:
What additional options would you include
"None of the above."
ipsky said:
and why?
See my post #7. None of the given options apply to me.
 
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Wrichik Basu said:
See my post #7. None of the given options apply to me.
Yes, I understand none of the options apply to you. I thus asked for the option(s) that 'do' apply to you. I'm hesitant to consider comprehension of a few papers, and answering a few questions on them, as a measure of how well one understands a topic in physics. If you believe it has helped you, then I would like to know how accurately others can evaluate the same for themselves.
 
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IMO one never truly understands a topic in physics, one merely gets used to it (kind of like marriage).
 
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