When do you think Quantum Computers will be out?

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The discussion revolves around the current state and future prospects of quantum computers, including their availability, capabilities, and potential applications. Participants explore both theoretical and practical aspects of quantum computing, as well as skepticism regarding commercial claims.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that while quantum computers are already available in labs, their capabilities are limited, with one mentioning a 1.5 million dollar machine with only 6 qubits.
  • Others highlight the sale of a 128-qubit quantum computer for 10 million dollars, questioning its practical applications and whether it is truly operational as a quantum computer.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about the D-Wave machine's claims, arguing that it has not demonstrated operational quantum computing mechanisms and that results could be achieved by classical supercomputers.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of quantum computers in solving certain problems, with one participant stating that they are not as universal as classical computers and cannot handle extensive programming tasks.
  • Another participant reflects on past claims by IBM regarding factoring numbers and questions the current security of RSA signatures in light of quantum computing advancements.
  • Some participants suggest that quantum computing is still in its infancy and may only develop in specific roles for the foreseeable future.
  • References to authoritative opinions in the field are shared, emphasizing skepticism towards commercial claims made by companies like D-Wave.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some agreeing on the limitations and skepticism surrounding commercial quantum computers, while others highlight the advancements being made. Overall, there is no consensus on the timeline for when quantum computers will be fully operational or universally applicable.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific examples and claims from the past, indicating a historical context of expectations versus current realities in quantum computing. There is also uncertainty regarding the operational capabilities of commercially available quantum machines.

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When do you think Quantum Computers will be out? Most scientists think 20-30 years but we have them in the lab already, they're just 1.5mill and only about 6 qubits.
 
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They are already out. A month ago first 128-qubit commercialy available machine was sold for 10M$. Is it worth its price - what applications may it be really used for?

Quantum computers are not as universal like 'classical' ones. You can't write 100,000 lines of C++ code. So if the algorithm (AQO for this box) is designed for optimisation, it doesn't mean you really may find a minimum of any function you like.

Great question: what this D-Wave machine is really able to compute?
 
xts said:
They are already out. A month ago first 128-qubit commercialy available machine was sold for 10M$. Is it worth its price - what applications may it be really used for?

Quantum computers are not as universal like 'classical' ones. You can't write 100,000 lines of C++ code. So if the algorithm (AQO for this box) is designed for optimisation, it doesn't mean you really may find a minimum of any function you like.

Great question: what this D-Wave machine is really able to compute?

This "quantum" computer has been built by a 55man company in a short time period. The Dwave machine has quantum elements and using quantum modelling in its algorithms but there is now way on Earth that is a fully operational 128 Qbit computer.

Currently top labs in the world struggle to entangle 10 Qbits for brief periods of time - I do not believe Dwave have not only entangled 128Qbits but can now use these effectively for computational purposes. My scepticism is also one shared by the Quantum Computing research field - it can be stresses that D-wave One has never been shown to be opertaional under quantum computing mechanisms - they show the end result of the computations but not the process to get their. To clarify the computations performed for Lockhead & Martin by the D-Wave One could have been performed by a number of high powered supercomputers.

This is not to say process is not being made - just do not believe the hype, remember after all they have a product to sell!
 
That's what I expected from D-Wave.
Anyway, even single 10M$ box in a short time for 55 people, deducting expenses, still makes something like 100k$ per head - not terribly bad ;)

10 years ago IBM claimed to fraction 15 into 3*5 (which is a special easy case for Shor's algorithm)
Did anybody make any progress since then? 21 maybe?
Should I feel safe with my 4-bit long RSA signature :eek: ?
 
xts said:
That's what I expected from D-Wave.
Anyway, even single 10M$ box in a short time for 55 people, deducting expenses, still makes something like 100k$ per head - not terribly bad ;)

10 years ago IBM claimed to fraction 15 into 3*5 (which is a special easy case for Shor's algorithm)
Did anybody make any progress since then? 21 maybe?
Should I feel safe with my 4-bit long RSA signature :eek: ?

The algorithm is actually easy to solve - ordinary computers can do it - its the order finding process that is difficult. So yes you should be ok with your RSA key at least for the foreseeable future!

Quantum computing is still a long way off IMHO - QCs can develop in very specific roles at the moment - but until you have QCs that arent mechanism specific, then application can be limited.
 
Just to give people a little more info:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2011/10/31/lockheed-martin-installs-quantum-computer/"

and referenced article

http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=639"

Scott Aaronson is something of an authority in this field - his opinion is definitely more authoratative than D-Waves commercial hype!

Hope this helps.
 
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