When the electron prob wave spreads what happens to the electron?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of an electron's probability wave as it spreads to macroscopic sizes and the implications of such spreading. Participants explore concepts related to wave function collapse, interactions, and the nature of quantum states, with a focus on theoretical and conceptual aspects of quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what happens when an electron's probability wave spreads to a macroscopic size and how it returns to a microscopic spread.
  • Another participant suggests that the probability of an electron's wave function spreading to macroscopic sizes is very low due to interactions, and mentions wave function collapse upon measurement.
  • A different participant inquires if the wave function returns to a specific spread after each interaction, noting that it can spread to macroscopic sizes in a short time.
  • One participant argues that analyzing the electron solely through its wave function is insufficient, emphasizing the need to consider the joint quantum state with any interacting entity.
  • Another participant speculates about a free electron in a vacuum potentially being anywhere within a vast range after some time, raising questions about momentum and its spread.
  • A participant challenges this view by asserting that momentum is conserved and that there won't be changes to the momentum probability distribution in empty space without interactions.
  • One participant references a textbook that suggests it takes a long time for the wave function to convert but cannot provide specific details due to lack of access to the book.
  • A participant shares a PDF resource that does not clarify what happens to the electron when its wave function spreads to macroscopic sizes.
  • Another participant argues that while the probability wave's expansion is unlikely, it is incorrect to say that the wave stops spreading upon interaction, discussing the implications of measurement on quantum non-locality.

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Participants express differing views on the behavior of the electron's wave function, the implications of measurement, and the nature of interactions. There is no consensus on the specific outcomes or interpretations of these phenomena.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the nature of wave function collapse, interactions, and the implications of quantum non-locality, which remain unresolved and depend on interpretations of quantum mechanics.

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When the electron's probability wave spreads out to a macroscopic size, what happens? How does it return to a microscopic spread in the future? Does the electron gain a new probability wave?
 
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The chances that an electron's wave-function spreads to macroscopic size is infinitesimal due to the large chances of interaction.

But anyways, according to SQT (not including decoherence) the electron's wave function will collapse instantaneously back to a very sharply peaked and narrow wave function once a measurement of its position is made by any observer. This is called wave function collapse, and is not yet quite well understood. I hear decoherence is solving that problem though...I'm not too familiar with decoherence.
 
So each time the electron interacts the wave function returns to some given spread? I read it can take much less than a second for an electron wave function to spread to a macroscopic size.
 
You can't analyze this properly in terms of just a wavefunction describing the electron. Once the electron interacts with anything, you need to consider the joint quantum state of the electron and whatever it interacted with.
 
So what can we say about a free electron in a vacuum. After a few seconds it could be anywhere within an astronomical range? And what about the momentum, that spreads just as quickly, the crazy thing could be going FTL before you know it :)
 
I'm not sure where you're getting these figures, or if this is a joke I don't get, but momentum is conserved, so in empty space with no interactions there won't be any change to the momentum probability distribution.
 
Principles of Quantum Mechanics by R.Shankar says, it takes a long time to convert it. But this book is not available at hand. So I cannot give the exact value. And I think Matterwave's explanation is good.
 
5.71 through 5.86 from this PDF http://www.physics.sfsu.edu/~greensit/book.pdf
It never explains what happens to the electron when it's function spreads to macroscopic size.
 
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Although the chances are that the probability wave will expand far away are remote, it is technically not correct to say that the wave stops spreading when it interacts with something else. Not trying to be picky here, but more address the point the OP is trying to ask about.

Any time a quantum particle is detected "here", logically it is NOT detected "there". It would be correct to say that "there" can be any possible history of the particle, including one in the distant future in a distant location. So a measurement here implies something about there, and vice versa.

If you think about it logically, the collapse of the wavefunction can be seen as defining quantum non-locality. Entanglement experiments are the usual way to see this, but it does not take 2 particles to have quantum non-locality.
 

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