Where am I wrong in calculating the heat of reaction for CH4 + 2O2?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the heat of reaction for the combustion of methane (CH4) with oxygen (O2) to produce carbon dioxide (CO2) and water (H2O). Participants explore the necessary data and equations required for this calculation, including the heats of formation for the involved substances.

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  • One participant calculates the heat of reaction using the heats of formation for CO2 and H2O but questions their approach.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the equations and the target reaction to improve understanding.
  • A participant states that additional information about the heat of formation for CH4 is necessary to complete the calculation.
  • One participant explains the concept of heat of formation and suggests a method to compute the enthalpy changes from reactants to products.
  • A participant provides the formula for calculating the heat of reaction, emphasizing the need to consider the standard states of elements.
  • A later reply indicates that the initial confusion has been resolved, showing some level of understanding achieved.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the calculation due to the lack of information regarding the heat of formation for CH4. Multiple viewpoints on the approach to the calculation are presented, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Limitations include the missing heat of formation data for CH4 and the need for clarity on the standard states of elements involved in the reaction.

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Homework Statement
given:
C + 2H2 -> CH4 What is the heat of reaction
Relevant Equations
C + O2 -> CO2 delta H = -393.5 kJ/mole
H2 + 1/2 O2 -> H2O delta H = -285.8 kJ/mole

CH4 + 2Os -> CO2 + 2H2O delta H = ?????

the book says delta H = -890.8 kL/mole
Since the heat of formtion of H2O is -285.8 and the heat of formation of CO2 is -393.5 I thought that the heat of reaction CH4 + 2O2
should be -393.5 + 2(-285.80 = -965.1

Where am I wrong?
 
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This is way too messy to follow, can you please relist given equations and the target one?
 
Lets put it this way...
What is the heat of reaction for this equaiton.

CH4 + 2O2 -> CO2 + 2H2O delta H = ?

The heat of formation of CO2 is -393.5
The heat of formation of H2O is -285.8
 
Not enough information, you need data related to CH4 to answer.
 
The heat of formation is the enthalpy change when you create a mole of substance from it's elements (atoms), or vice versa.
So first you need to compute the enthalpy change from CH4 and O2 to C,H and O. Then you need the enthalpy change from C,H,O to CO2 and H2O.
 
ΔHrxn = ΣΔHf(products) - ΣΔHf(reactants)
So ΔHrxn = ΔHf(CO2) + 2ΔHf(H2O) - ΔHf(CH4)
(ΔHf(O2) is of course zero.)
(Oh, and by the way, heat of formation is from elements in their standard states - not from atoms when this is not the standard state. So from C(s), H2 and O2, not C(g), H and O.)
 
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I now understand, Thanks all.
 

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