Where are the oldest sections of the Milky Way?

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In summary, Alan Dean Foster's Commonwealth series is a series of books about an artifact that is several million years old and still functional, and archaeological sites abound in the series. Older stars (as in: billions of years) are around everywhere, within the galactic disk there are no parts that would be "older" or "younger" in general. Technology is not necessarily based on some sort of linear timeline. Smaller stars live longer, and getting twice the lifetime of sun with a nice habitable planet is no problem. Another thought that occurs to me is that the world of a truly old civilization may have ended its tectonic sequence and the atmosphere may have finally dissipated.
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I'm partial to Alan Dean Foster's Commonwealth Series.One of the features of that series are extinct species who one ruled the galaxy. The first book in the series, The Tar-Aiym Krang, is about an artifact that is several million years old--and still functional. The End of the Matter is also about an artifact, and archaeological sites abound in the series.

The Commonwealth series is not the only story or set of stories where ancient species and archaeology abound, Several of you might have other books that are favorites dealing with this trope. The question that intrigues me professionally is: "Where would species much older than humanity be found? One logical place to start is on planets and in star systems that are millions of years older than ours. Which brings me to my question: are there sections of the galaxy that are older than our immediate neighborhood, and where are those sections to be found?
 
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Millions of years are nothing on cosmological timescales.
Older stars (as in: billions of years) are around everywhere, within the galactic disk there are no parts that would be "older" or "younger" in general. Not that you would need it for such a story - life on Earth needed billions of years to evolve until a species was able to go to space. You could easily imagine this process to be a few million years slower or faster on other planets.
 
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mfb said:
Older stars (as in: billions of years) are around everywhere, within the galactic disk there are no parts that would be "older" or "younger" in general.

I was wondering if that might be the wrong question to ask. But, if you don't ask you don't find out. Another thought that occurs to me is that star systems that are billions of years older than ours would be at the end of their star's lifecycle. Egyptious may have orbited a star that has long since gone nova.

Technology is also not necessarily based on some sort of linear timeline. The ancient Greeks experimented with steam power. There were cultural reasons why they didn't go from there to the locomotive, but there are no physical reasons why they couldn't have.
 
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Our sun will make Earth inhabitable within about 1 to 1.5 billion years, but it will continue to be a main-sequence star for a few billion years.
Smaller stars live longer. Getting twice the lifetime of sun with a nice habitable planet is no problem.
 
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Another thought that occurs to me is that the world of a truly old civilization may have ended its tectonic sequence and the atmosphere may have finally dissipated. Though a really advanced race like the Tar-Aiym would probably be able to "fix" that if they were feeling sentimental.
 
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There is a maximum theoretical age a civilization could be. I think it's something like 5 billion years old (it'd take about 8 billion for the universe to produce enough raw materials for life.) I would imagine with the progress of even one billion years, your home star going nova is of little consequence. If we extrapolate our own progress over that time scale, our technology would essentially make us gods.

I have a feeling that once humans develop the technology to really explore space in depth, finding derelict ships and civilizations over a million years old would be much more common than finding a young one. There is no reason that we evolved when we did, on a cosmological scale, we're a blink of an eye away from the dinosaurs.

Advanced species could probably build self-maintaining systems that last millions or even billions of years.
 
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I would imagine with the progress of even one billion years, your home star going nova is of little consequence.

I was thinking more in terms of finding the ruins of a civilization more than the civilization itself. No matter how advanced we become if we split the sun going nova is still going to be hell on the Coliseum. I have an idea for a space opera where very old and very advanced aliens in essence escape into a parallel universe they tailor to their desires. They aren't very concerned what happens to the old, home world.
 
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1. Where are the oldest stars located in the Milky Way?

The oldest stars in the Milky Way are found in the galactic halo, which surrounds the central disk of the galaxy. They are primarily located in the inner regions of the halo.

2. How can we determine the age of different sections of the Milky Way?

Scientists determine the ages of different sections of the Milky Way by analyzing the chemical composition of stars and the amount of heavy elements they contain. Older stars have lower levels of heavy elements compared to younger stars.

3. Are the oldest sections of the Milky Way evenly distributed?

No, the oldest sections of the Milky Way are not evenly distributed. The inner regions of the galaxy, including the bulge and disk, contain younger stars while the outer regions, such as the halo, contain older stars.

4. How do the oldest sections of the Milky Way compare to other galaxies?

The oldest sections of the Milky Way are similar to other galaxies in terms of their distribution and age. However, the Milky Way contains a larger number of younger stars in its disk compared to other galaxies.

5. Can we observe the oldest sections of the Milky Way with telescopes?

Yes, we can observe the oldest sections of the Milky Way with telescopes. The light from these stars has traveled a long distance to reach us, making them appear dimmer and harder to detect. However, advancements in technology have allowed us to study these stars in more detail.

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