Where Can We Find Anti-Particles for E=mc2 Energy Release?

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The discussion revolves around the production and potential applications of anti-particles in the context of energy release as described by the equation E=mc². Participants explore the sources of anti-particles, their production methods, and the feasibility of using them as an energy source.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the sources of anti-particles and whether they exist beyond theoretical descriptions.
  • Another mentions that Fermilab previously produced and stored a significant number of antiprotons before the Tevatron's shutdown.
  • Positrons are noted to be produced frequently in hospitals, with a reference to positron emission tomography.
  • A question is raised about the accessibility of anti-protons for individuals with the right equipment and knowledge.
  • It is stated that while positrons are relatively easy to produce, antiprotons require large accelerators and complex setups, with Fermilab and CERN mentioned as capable facilities.
  • Concerns are expressed about the practicality of using antimatter for electrical energy, questioning why it is not utilized despite its potential.
  • A participant asks about the energy produced from annihilating a specific number of antiprotons and the power implications of such a process.
  • Another participant highlights the fundamental limitation that producing antimatter requires at least as much energy as can be obtained from its annihilation, emphasizing the inefficiency of current production methods.
  • There is a sentiment that if antimatter production were more efficient, it could significantly impact the industry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility and practicality of antimatter as an energy source, with no consensus reached on its viability or efficiency. Some acknowledge the potential while others emphasize the limitations and challenges involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various methods of anti-particle production and the associated energy costs, highlighting the inefficiencies in current technologies without resolving the implications of these limitations.

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I have been doing research in e=mc2, and to release the energy , you have to get an anti-particle to collide with the particle equivalent to a specific value of energy.
Now i want to know where do you get this anti-particle, or is it just theoretically described?
 
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Fermilab (near Chicago) used to produce and store about 1 x 1011 antiprotons per hour before the Tevatron was shut down last year.
 
oh that's is pretty interesting, can anybody get an anti-proton if he had the equipment and knowledge?
 
Positrons are light and quite easy to produce. Antiprotons are much harder. You need an accelerator of significant size (won't fit in your home) to accelerate particles up to ~6 billion electronvolts. If you shoot these particles on a fixed target, some antiprotons are produced.
If you want to catch and control them, it gets trickier. Few accelerator complexes are capable of doing this - I know of Fermilab (just acceleration) and CERN (traps antiprotons at rest), and the FAIR project is built to trap antiprotons, too.
 
Well, i see that we can make a lot of anti-matter, why don't people use this for electrical energy by taking advantage of e=mc2 .
 
How much energy is produced in annihilating 100 billion antiprotons? What is the power for doing this every hour?
 
So you are saying that we would make less energy than the energy that we put?
 
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You can get a lot of energy out of antimatter. But: You need at least the same amount of energy to produce the antimatter. This is a fundamental limit - even with 100% efficient production and annihilation, you could not use it as a power source.

Theory would allow to use antimatter as a very compact energy storage. However, practical limitations forbid this: In real accelerators, the efficiency to generate antimatter is extremely bad. If you want to store it as neutral antimatter, the efficiency is lower than 0,01%, and I can give you this estimation without even looking up numbers because the efficiency is way lower than that.
 
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I see... It sounds unfortunate because if it had a high efficiency , it could make a huge impact in the industry.
 

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